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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Almost 65% of women in prison have brain damage due to domestic violence

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placemats · 06/02/2019 11:50

This is a shocking statistic. And well worth highlighting.

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/06/nearly-65-of-prisoners-at-womens-jail-show-signs-of-brain-injury

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RuggyPeg · 06/02/2019 17:59

It makes me want to weep for society and for women and for all the people, male and female, who simply don't give a shit about women/domestic violence/abuse/assault/rape.

CountFosco · 06/02/2019 18:05

I expect that some of the women with brain damage from domestic violence may have received it through DV in their childhood too

Yes, both the homeless and prison inmates have a high chance of having been in care which of course means they have a very high chance of having been subjected to abuse. And have mental health issues (not just physical damage). I think what we do in prisons does matter, it would be so much better for all of society if we could rehabilitate more prisoners.

placemats · 06/02/2019 18:35

I don't think the most important message here is about what the prison service should do. It is more about the vital importance of society getting to grips with domestic violence: preventing it, punishing perpetrators, protecting victims.

I agree Countess.

And also what CountFosco said.

I would add that calling it domestic violence somehow lessens the crime. It is violence, pure and simple.

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NothingOnTellyAgain · 06/02/2019 20:09

There was an article about this a while back maybe a usa study

It's good that further study is being done

The one I read said that if you have traumatic brain injury you are more likely to exhibit behaviours that make it really hard to interact successfully with the criminal justice system
Talking about things like
Memory not great or having lapses
Seeming vague unsure
Generally not with it / disorganised

ie not coming across as reliable.

Criminal justice system police, lawyers, juries, judges etc of course have bias and these women (and the figures for men are high too) come in front of them and seem not quite with it and of course that doesn't work well for them at all.

So there is a massive point here. These people have brain / emotional / etc issues due to brain damage and that needs to be understood / identified before they get to prison.

MsAwesomeDragon · 06/02/2019 20:24

This has just explained a lot about my step-sil! She's not in prison (yet), but her behaviour has changed a huge amount in the past 10 years. And in that time we know she's been a victim of DV and had to get the police to help her make him leave. We know he strangled her a few times (because the kids told us after he left Sad) and I suspect he hit her a lot now than she will ever admit. But the point is, she used to be a very sweet young woman who would do anything for anyone (not the most academic, ever, but very, very kind). Now, as a survivor of DV, she's acting very selfishly, starting to think about committing petty crimes (she may already have done some shoplifting but would never, ever tell us about it). I worry about her a lot, and if she ever gets caught in any sort of criminal activity she definitely won't interact with the authorities in a helpful way (which she would have done when I first met her, not that she'd ever have got into trouble back then either)

Badstyley · 06/02/2019 23:05

I’m also wondering how many times one can hit a woman before it’s one time too many. I mean, if it’s accidental, then how is one to know how many times to hit, because I’m assuming Jane Fae wasn’t talking about men who kill their wives/girlfriends with one blow.

Am I to refer to this person by their current name? Cos ya know, wouldn’t want to dead name or anything.

Badstyley · 06/02/2019 23:08

I mean, ‘a blow struck one time too many’ doesn’t suggest the first, does it. Otherwise ‘a blow struck’ would’ve sufficed.

2ndWaveFeminist · 07/02/2019 00:35

Horrifying statistic, I already knew they were usually very vulnerable women this makes it even more so.

FlyingOink · 07/02/2019 01:07

I don't normally go in for WATM but In 2010 a study of 200 adult male prisoners found 60% had suffered a head injury is in the same article.
It's a vicious circle of violence and deprivation and unresolved MH issues and easy supply of drugs and male/female relationship issues and uncared for children and lack of structure. The men act in violent ways and the women self-destruct. After release there's little to stop reoffending.
A violent male offender can still be vulnerable. A victimised female offender can still be capable of great evil and cruelty. The men are more difficult to feel sorry for, but the vast majority of people in prison are broken. They're not easy to help.
It's a decision between offering support, treatment and help to break the cycle and deciding enough time, money and effort has been wasted on that person, and writing them off.
Unfortunately we lean too much towards writing them off, the US do it much earlier than we do and somewhere like Norway doesn't at all - but then is seen as lenient (Breivik and his PlayStation!) We can't be more like Norway without spending vastly more and voters don't care enough to.
This is the FWR board, and I agree with centring women prisoners, but this isn't entirely due to DV in a male/female relationship sense. Possibly all the male and all the female prisoners were beaten as children and that's the link. I don't know, but it's 65% in one and 60% in the other. Confused
Sorry if that was a derail.

showmeshoyu · 07/02/2019 01:13

What's the non jail population figure, I wonder? Without that figure, it's difficult to say it's actually significant. It sounds plausible, but part of the picture is missing.

Mner2019 · 07/02/2019 07:19

This is so sad for all those involved. It will be impossible to break the cycle for any of them in this political climate

CountFosco · 07/02/2019 13:41

What's the non jail population figure, I wonder? Without that figure, it's difficult to say it's actually significant. It sounds plausible, but part of the picture is missing.

NICE have stats on head injuries. 1.4M head injuries a year (third to half in children) seen in A&E. Of those 200000 require hospital admission and of those 10000 have evidence of brain damage. That's the yearly figues but it suggests less than 1% of people who sustain a head injury end up with brain damage.

userschmoozer · 07/02/2019 15:55

Is my maths right?
Nearly 65% of women in prison show signs of brain injury.
Of those, 62% reported the injury was a result of DV.

I make that 40% of female prisoners who have a head injury as a result of DV. That sounds statistically significant.

R0wantrees · 07/02/2019 20:56

Last year the MoJ published a strategy for female offenders.
It has long being recognised that there are very different offender profiles for males and females.

(extract)
"We know that many offenders are amongst the most vulnerable people in society and that these vulnerabilities can often contribute to their offending behaviours or how they engage and respond to interventions.
Female offenders can be amongst the most vulnerable of all, in both the prevalence and complexity of their needs. Many experience chaotic lifestyles involving substance misuse, mental health problems, homelessness, and offending behaviour – these are often the product of a life of abuse and trauma.

Although the proportion of women in the criminal justice system (CJS) is small –approximately 5% of the prison population and 15% of offenders in the community– the positive impact of addressing their needs is significant.
On average female offenders commit less serious offences than male offenders and often pose a low or medium risk of serious harm to the public.
Yet the reoffending rate among women is 22.9% for the April to June 2016 cohort, often committing nonviolent, low-level but persistent offences, such as shop theft.
Furthermore, chaotic lives and complex needs often mean female offenders have repeated needs for services and a disrupted family life. Female offenders cost the Government approximately £1.7bn in 2015/16, including estimated police costs of c.£1bn.9 This excludes wider social costs, such as the cost of intergenerational offending.
It is clear, therefore, that tackling and reducing the cycle of offending amongst women could have significant benefits to victims, families, and Government, as well as to female offenders themselves.
Outcomes for women in custody can be worse than for men: for example, the rate of self-harm is nearly five times as high in women’s prisons. This disparity is highly troubling and it is right to seek to create equal opportunity for men and women in the CJS to rehabilitate themselves.

Baroness Corston’s seminal report, A review of women with particular vulnerabilities in the Criminal Justice System (2007), highlighted that the factors that can lead men and women to commit crime, and to reoffend, can vary significantly, as can the way men and women respond to interventions.
Our own evidence review suggests that ensuring interventions are tailored appropriately to the particular needs of women can be more effective than applying a generic approach to men and women alike" (continues)

Early Intervention:
A significant proportion of women who come into contact with the criminal justice system (CJS) commit offences that are low-level. In some cases, their offending could have been prevented by addressing their vulnerabilities at an earlier stage.
Many experience chaotic lifestyles involving substance misuse, mental health problems, homelessness and offending behaviour – as the Violence Against Women and Girls (VAWG) Strategy has acknowledged, these are often the product of histories of abuse and trauma.
23 Often these offenders will have repeated demands on services and go on to reoffend. Contact with the CJS can often cause these women to go into crisis or prevent them from coming out of it. Conviction can mean a loss of accommodation and employment, disruption to families and children and the beginning of a cycle of intergenerational offending.

  1. There are clear benefits to intervening earlier to reduce the number of women coming into contact with the CJS. For victims, prevention and reduced reoffending would lead to a reduction in crime; for wider society, there would be less cost and less pressure on services; for offenders and their families, they might avoid a crisis experience and instead begin a path towards more stable living."

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719819/female-offender-strategy.pdf

BlackeyedGruesome · 08/02/2019 00:06

Actually, I feel slower mentally too, struggle with quite simple things sometimes. Too many punches to the head?

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