Homophobia and the Modern Trans Movement

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Article by Sky Gilbert at Quillette:

When I tried to defend drag queens from the podium, saying that “camp” culture was an important part of our heritage, a trans member of the audience—a person who asked to be identified as “they”—made a statement that still sticks in my mind.

“Remember that the people who died at Pulse nightclub were listening to appropriated music,” they told them room. The speaker was referring to the June 12, 2016 massacre of 49 innocents at a gay dance club in Orlando, Florida, a tragedy that was then still fresh in everyone’s minds. The victims were queers and queer allies. It stands as one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.

I asked them, “Do you mean to say we shouldn’t mourn the queers who were murdered at Pulse nightclub because they were listening to appropriated music?” There was no clear response—silence and a shrug. No one in the room said anything about this completely shocking display.

It occurred to me at that moment that, in this room full of LGBT artists, a trans person could say something with open and obscene homophobic overtones, and not a single person would call them on it. Shocking as this was, it was a harbinger of things to come.

quillette.com/2019/01/31/homophobia-and-the-modern-trans-movement/

Interesting article.

I am glad he mentioned lesbians.

At Vancouver’s most recent Dyke March, in August, 2018, lesbians wore t-shirts with the word “lesbian” printed over a drawing of a uterus. Naturally, they were accused of hate speech by trans activists, and were banned from their own parade. To be a proud lesbian—in the way that word was defined until about 20 minutes ago—now has become a sort of thoughtcrime. Not just among conservative homophobes, but also among ultra-progressives.

And the fact that trans in fine in some countries whereas being homosexual isn't:

It is interesting that in some countries—some of the most sexually conservative places on earth, as it happens—it is illegal to be gay or lesbian, but perfectly legal to be trans. This year, India decriminalized gay sex; but they have included transgender people in the national census for the last five years. Conservative Nepal has included transgender people in its public records since 2011. In Iran, homosexuality is punishable by death. In fact, the Iranian government pays for sex reassignment surgery—because there is a powerful strain of thought that says anything is better than growing up to be a gay man. Unlike Iran, Canada is not a theocracy. Nevertheless, we are more beholden to such bigotries than we would like to admit.

Fight homophobia - stop Stonewall?

Ah Stonewall!

That reminds me of the petition Jonny Best and his fabulous co-founding signatories started.

Where they write:
Stonewall’s promotion of the concept of 'gender identity’, which has it that a man or woman is anyone (of either sex) who identifies as such, is also undermining the basis of lesbian, gay and bisexual identities as orientated around same-sex attraction. Lesbians in particular are coming under pressure to accept male-bodied trans women into their spaces and as sexual partners.
www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

Do we think that more gay men are going to start speaking out?

In reality it would be you dressing up as a Native American and releasing a CD of tribal songs.

In this context its a way of shutting down any dissent by setting up a barrier that no one dare challenge. And then a room full of grown adults choosing to go along with it.

Did I read that right? What was the reason behind pointing out that the people killed in the Pulse nightclub were listening to something the commenter didn't approve of?

Isn't that just like a woke version of Pat Robertson blaming 'Teh Gays' for their own suffering for not being godly or whatever? That's pretty unspeakably disgusting. I can't believe no one challenged it.

Wasn’t it a Latino night? So the music was “appropriated”, even though a huge number of those attending were Latino? I don’t get it.

What on earth is 'appropriated music'?

I wondered the same. And how does the choice of music supplied by the club make the tiniest difference to the fucking awfulness of the crime?

Actually forget the question of appropriation. It’s doing exactly what the fucker who said it intended, which is to distract and diminish those people’s deaths. It is, like so many other things here, disgusting.

I thought the whole article was good but I chose to quote that passage because it shows the utter lack of humanity on the TRA side.

I agree that it's a very good article. Thanks for sharing Aspie!

Isn't that just like a woke version of Pat Robertson blaming 'Teh Gays' for their own suffering for not being godly or whatever? That's pretty unspeakably disgusting.
I think so.
It's a bit like that non-binary person is the priest that declares these innocent victims of a truly horrific nightclub attack sinners. It doesn't matter that their lives were taken in an unimaginable act of hatred and violence through no fault of their own. The victims listened to music that didn't 'officially belong' to them, so they are excommunicated from the church of wokeness and therefore not worthy of the same degree of commemoration or respect. And the congregation says nothing. It's really awful, dangerous, and insane. One wonders about the dynamics that would bring about this level of cruelty in this "community."

Sadly, I am not shocked at all. Sounds about par for the course, when you consider how the LGBTQ ENTIGHWYSHOA2 +++ contingent has been demonizing same-sex attracted females and the accusation by a man claiming to speak for 'queer people' accused women of appropriating the word woman.

A good article - he talks about gay erasure and the dangers of transing children.

The old paradigm presented effeminate men as homosexuals who could be cured of their sexual desires. The new paradigm presents effeminate boys as children who can be cured by declaring them girls. And since we have (falsely) decided that their sexuality is irrelevant because they are children and because gender has no relationship to sexuality, proponents can make their case without discussing the off-putting issue of sexual urges. Each child must be raised according to what the child perceives to be their “true gender.”

Children who haven’t gone through puberty lack perspective on the ultimate consequences—both psychological and physical—of their choices. Moreover, since gender and sexuality are linked in real life, it is difficult for any person to understand their identity as a human being (never mind the more narrow category of gender identity) without first experiencing post-adolescent sexual desire.

I think more and more gay men are waking up to the fact that if this ideology had been around when they were children, they'd have been prime targets for Mermaids.

WTF is appropriated music? It was a Latino night full of Hispanic people. Is this TRAs thinking all gay men are white again?

I'm glad that it's finally clicking for a lot of gay men how much of a danger to gay boys TRAs are. The sooner TRAs are unable to hide behind the gay community the better.

WTF is appropriated music?

He does explain in the article:
Members of the audience stood up and opined about the apparently problematic practice of a white drag queen (like me) lip-synching to “appropriated music”—by which they meant music originally written and performed by non-white artists.

But lots of attendees were Hispanic. Did they all deserve to be shot at because there was one "sinner" in the group?

By coincidence I had to wait in today and heard part of a Radio 4 programme called Full Circle. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00026xg It was the last of one of five and seemed to focus on trans people experience of relationships. And I know I wasn't totally focused on it but all the statements made just left me thinking this was about people who could not accept that they might be gay or lesbian.

I know I have this thought in my head anyway from the number of prominent trans women who all seem to have had parents (usually the father) who was vehemently anti gay and held to traditional male roles.

And it does seem, as said in the article and by many others, we now have a situation where families would prefer a trans child than a gay or lesbian child.

Is it any wonder that young people growing up in that environment are susceptible to the trans agenda?

And this seems to move onto challenging both gay men and lesbians that somehow their reality (of being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex) is somehow not valid. Or worse still, that in being confident of that same sex attraction they are a threat to those who dont dare express it.

So much of trans is not about learning to live comfortably with themselves but with enforcing view points on other people.

In the radio programme one of the speakers talked about how awful it was that someone would say they would feel sick to find out what they thought was a same sex encounter was in fact with a trans person. Not of course thinking that a gay man or a lesbian might just conceivably feel they had been tricked into a herterosexual encounter.

Not unlike the women who were tricked by spy cops into a sexual relationships.

You cant get round the fact that however much a trans persons believes they are someone of the opposite sex to the one they are born, most other people just dont believe it.

PS Meant to add that the BBC has gone all out trans this week. There was also a play about a trans relationship which some said I should listen to. If it was meant to make me understand I'm afraid it didn't. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00027n2

But the increasingly common attacks on gay men and women I’ve witnessed are consistent with emerging strains of transgender philosophy—if that is the right word—which now serve to define the movement’s outwardly expressed political goals. And it’s not hard to see a connection between this homophobia-contaminated militancy and the social contagion sweeping North America, by which students are demanding non-gendered toilets, and young children are demanding body modifications and hormone blockers to support their suddenly expressed trans self-identification.....

But now I’m beginning to wonder if the trans movement has any use for me—or for any gay man or woman who dissents from that movement’s increasingly radicalized demands of society and of children’s bodies.

Thoughtful, well-argued article.

I had expected more gay men to speak out against all of this and have been disappointed by the response. I feel used actually as I, along with many women, supported gay men in their fight over the years to be treated fairly, as we did for lesbians. Yet the men haven't reciprocated that respect and support. It makes me think they have taken their place in the male hierarchy, enabled by our support, only to add their weight to the misogyny and sexism personified by Stonewall.

I have issues with my mother. Don’t we all? I have called her names—to her face and in print. I will not repeat them here. But I want to publicly forgive her, now, for whatever I have accused her of, because she had the kindness and grace to respect my budding sexuality as I then perceived it. And she had enough respect for me to say, “You’re just too young” when I wondered what lay in store for my future. If only we all had the courage to say these same words to our own children.

I am pleased for them they have reached this understanding of the complexities of being a mum. Too many men are ready to blame "mum" for all their woes - in fact, many never seem to get over it and are looking for mum in a partner so they can continue to be mothered.

Appropriation women irony

I'm trying to get those three words into a coherent sentence. I think you get the idea.

stumbledin

From what I've worked out it's all about fox and owl. I couldn't be arsed to listen properly. It was basically "two people can fall in love" and didn't really need a 5 part series. It was just educating the masses on word salad as far as I could tell. Probably recompense for woman's hour.

In the radio programme one of the speakers talked about how awful it was that someone would say they would feel sick to find out what they thought was a same sex encounter was in fact with a trans person. Not of course thinking that a gay man or a lesbian might just conceivably feel they had been tricked into a herterosexual encounter.

I miss that bit. Yet again, misunderstanding what consent is.

Or not giving a shit about consent at all because validation is so much more important.

I'm lost on appropriated music? They really do like to call the shots don't they?