Homophobia and the Modern Trans Movement

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Article by Sky Gilbert at Quillette:

When I tried to defend drag queens from the podium, saying that “camp” culture was an important part of our heritage, a trans member of the audience—a person who asked to be identified as “they”—made a statement that still sticks in my mind.

“Remember that the people who died at Pulse nightclub were listening to appropriated music,” they told them room. The speaker was referring to the June 12, 2016 massacre of 49 innocents at a gay dance club in Orlando, Florida, a tragedy that was then still fresh in everyone’s minds. The victims were queers and queer allies. It stands as one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.

I asked them, “Do you mean to say we shouldn’t mourn the queers who were murdered at Pulse nightclub because they were listening to appropriated music?” There was no clear response—silence and a shrug. No one in the room said anything about this completely shocking display.

It occurred to me at that moment that, in this room full of LGBT artists, a trans person could say something with open and obscene homophobic overtones, and not a single person would call them on it. Shocking as this was, it was a harbinger of things to come.

quillette.com/2019/01/31/homophobia-and-the-modern-trans-movement/

You cant get round the fact that however much a trans persons believes they are someone of the opposite sex to the one they are born, most other people just dont believe it.
It's the elephant in the room.
In telling the white lies and being considerate we've:
1/been taken literally by the dysphoric
2/been used by the autogynephiles for validation
3/lost the trust of children by gaslighting them
4/tied ourselves in legal knots that might unravel women's and gay rights
5/provided homophobes with a get-out politically
6/provided homophobic parents with a cure-all for their possibly gay children
7/pushed the boundaries of what a child can consent to
8/uncovered new ways in which men can harass girls
9/lost sympathy for feminism
10/lost sympathy and tolerance for gay rights

Did I miss any?

The sheer disregard for consent and boundaries shocked me. I started doing a 'daily reminder' lesbian meant lesbian on twitter, and the response just made my jaw drop and all of a sudden you realised what this encroachment on lesbian spaces had meant- these males outraged at you 'popolicing' their identity as having the right to sexually abuse lesbians, basic normal human interaction was abandoned with consent. Yeah sure you can abuse that woman and call it debating whether you are lesbian...yeah sure you can just sexually harrass and coerce young lesbians...cos you are marginalised now...

Watching the LGBYRTESSGFQWEYRTUIPP turn on lesbians was stunning, almost as stunning as the wholesale blind eye to hte disturbing approach to children inherent here. The whole thing has been staggering. How in 2018 did we get to the point where LGBT means a movement where sexual abuse of lesbians is de rigeur and normal?

I note noone has yet really said that gay men should be willing to accept vagina.

I listened to a bit of one with Fox and Sharon. Fox is just a massively dull narcissist. It took the presenter about five minutes to explain Fox's identity.

That the same LGBT orgs then demanded that lesbians be thrown out of feminism for not doing dick and made refusal a punching offence. Wow.

In the radio programme one of the speakers talked about how awful it was that someone would say they would feel sick to find out what they thought was a same sex encounter was in fact with a trans person. Not of course thinking that a gay man or a lesbian might just conceivably feel they had been tricked into a herterosexual encounter.

Anyone who knowingly tricks someone into sex that they wouldn't have had if they'd had the information that person was deliberately withholding should feel guilty, and that guilt is what's being avoided by all this projection.

Anyone who knowingly tricks someone into sex that they wouldn't have had if they'd had the information that person was deliberately withholding should feel guilty, and that guilt is what's being avoided by all this projection.

It's more than that it is a crime surely, like the Gayle Newland case. You can't trick people into having sex with you by pretending to be something you are not.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland-sentenced-eight-years-prison-duping-friend-having-sex

If anyone has a link to Jane Fae's comments on that case please post them, they make chilling reading.

Angryattackkittens THere was this spectacular piece of rape apologism in the NEw Statesman. www.newstatesman.com/voices/2013/06/trans-or-otherwise-its-time-overhaul-law-rape-deception
I think the attempt to present it as feminist legal scholarship is audacious but self awareness as the misogyny, rape apologism and advice for those crossing the legal line with regard to filmed abuse spews forth is not Janes strong point,

Thanks, Lisa, that's the one I was thinking of.

I wrote a post aout it at the time and was told by the author I just didnt understand feminist scholarship. Dude, its consent I get and the difference between our positions isnot an understanding of female legal scholarship.

New Statesman:
Jane Fae is a feminist writer

LMFAO

Jane Fae isn't much of a legal scholar. A swift skim of the judgement linked in the article shows that the Court of Appeal reduced the woman's sentence from 3 years to 3 months time served, plus 9 months suspended for 2 years with supervision so she could get help.

She appealed against her conviction, (she had pleaded guilty to offences of assault by penetration : not rape as in this country you need a penis to rape. The penetration was oral and digital, not with the strap on. ) The court of appeal agreed that gender deception was capable of vitiating consent.

They tackled the HIV point, too, saying that non disclosed STD doesn't vitiate consent, but it leads to other consequences (like GBH) if there is transmission.

Poor effort Jane. Nothing scholarly about that piece.