Woman submits human rights complaint about encountering Oger in women's bathroom

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This is the BC Human Rights Tribunal, currently forum for a certain ball-waxing trans-gender child tampon fetishist to pursue a grievance.

dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-woman-human-rights-complaint-trans-bathroom

Also currently the forum of M. Oger, formerly R. Oger, a big-time TRA & Canadian politician who has been complaining that a bloke hurt h* feelings by misgendering h*, and this constitutes a serious human rights breach by that bloke. (see here: www.freenorthamerica.ca/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10624 for what he said)

Anyway, Kari Simpson has said she heard M. Oger in the ladies' bathroom at the Human Rights Tribunal:

"she heard a loud male voice” talking to other people in the washroom, and recognized the voice to be that of Morgane Oger

The incident “was disturbing and distressing,” the complaint reads. “Her security of a person was violated, she remained in the stall until she was certain that the biological man, Oger, had gone for fear of being bullied.”

Simpson said in a release that “this assault on women’s rights must end. Men wearing puppy dog ears/tails, pony gear, wigs and/or lipstick, chemically and cosmetically altering their appearance and self-declaring themselves to be a dog, a pony or a woman does not change their biological reality of being a human male.”

“Men suffering from delusion, gender dysphoria, fantasy, nefarious intention, or simply addicted to a hyper-sexualized kinky game of female dress-up, among other factors, do not get to trample on my rights… to security of the person, privacy, dignity, decency, and services directly affected by my protected rights as a female,” she added. “It’s time to end this dangerous game of lunacy.”

In the complaint, Simpson said she would like to see, among other things, an apology from the BCHRT to “all members” of Culture Guard, all washroom/change room signage inviting use by Trans people or similar wording to be removed and replaced with Women Only or Men Only wording, an amendment to the BC Human Rights Code to define Gender identity and gender Expression as “cosmetic, costume, or outward projection of a person,” and a combined total of $180,000 in damages.

“A free and civil society respects any individual’s right to free expression, but those rights end where another’s begin,” said Simpson. “It’s time to stop lying to people—especially children.”

Two women from this group are standing for election in a by-election. Seems to be a new party the PPC - People's Party of Canada who are gender critical. Think Canadians have had enough?

dailyhive.com/vancouver/anti-trans-activist-laura-lynn-tyler-thompson-peoples-party-of-canada-2019

I live in Vancouver and I've not heard about those candidates (the focus is mostly on the NDP candidate as he is the leader of the party and seriously needs to be elected for the party to have a hope in the federal elections in the autumn). If the People's party is gender critical I would suspect that is only in a very conservative way as their leader is very much in the trump/UKIP tradition (he is a break away from our mainstream right wing party). But yes I do think there is a possibility of an anti-liberal backlash. It's unlikely to benefit women much though. Or the People's Party for that matter, any swing will go to the Conservatives.

Oger
The fact that Oger supports the person (are we allowed to name them yet) who likes to discuss tampons with little girls and force women to wax their balls, says everything about that Mens Rights Activist.

Oger is awful and I'm glad they've lost the public elections. Imagine the damage they'd do. They have no care for woman and girls at all.

That is wonderful. And I don't give a fuck who it comes from, Jaesse.

Jaesse, in WW2 we had to ally ourselves with Stalin in order to defeat the Nazis. I’ll take any support we can get, from the far right or anyone else, to stop this erasure of women’s actual definition, safety, privacy and dignity.

Married and/or widowed biologically heterosexual Christian females, that gender identify and express as women, and have given life to both biologically provable male and female human beings/children, who also share membership in an organization called Culture Guard

What the fuck is that all about?

I totally agree with you JaesseJexaMaipru.

Jaesse, in WW2 we had to ally ourselves with Stalin in order to defeat the Nazis

That was ironic right?

Ffs, ‘careful to applaud a woman who speaks for all women because she’s right and not left wing’
And the left are the tolerant ones, are they? Lol

I think she’s done a vary brave thing, and I applaud her

Here's another charming pamphlet from this group

www.cultureguard.com/2018/07/25/mass-resistance-pamphlet/

Not something I'd like to be associated with.

Careful with the applause though. Don't forget this Venn diagram. This case looks like it comes from the religious right rather than feminism. Feminists have no more in common with the religious right than we do with Transgender Ideologists. Laws made via the actions of the religious right could do huge harm

JaesseJexaMaipru
You're missing the point of the Venn Diagram which is to illustrate why it is completely rational that there are specific overlapping understandings between 2nd wave feminists, Conservatism / Religious groups & transgender ideology. The Venn diagram identifies the areas of overlap/agreement of the three groups. Also the areas of difference.

The Venn diagram is important as many TRAs frequently try to use the 'perceived alignment' with 'the religious right' as a way to smear or discredit women identifying issues with the consequences of trans ideology.

The laws that may be re-asserted in this case are that women's toilets be for females only providing girls and women with the safety, dignity and privacy from males as intended.
Additionally, the complaint includes proposal for additional toilet provision specifically for transpeople such as Morgane Oger who would likely object to using the single sex for males provision aka 'men's loos'

In what way would these laws be dangerous?

JaesseJexaMaipru, sorry. There are plenty of women, including me, who would not describe themselves as "feminists" yet do not want to be erased.

Do you plan to police who has a voice, and who does not?

I may not agree with much this woman stands for, in the same way as I may not agree with much Jeremy Corbyn stands for, or indeed with whatever your Venn Diagram represents. But do not deny her or my voices, and I for one, respect her courage. I hope she wins.

I'd sooner ally myself with another woman than allying myself with 'rational' trans. We've seen from the WEP naivety what happens then.

As for Oger, I make no objection to his dressing as a woman. If he was decent, I would even call him "she" if he requested. So far, he has not requested this of me.

As my sister and i were discussing this morning it doesn't seem to have occurred to some transgender people that the reason others object to them is not because of their trans state of being, but because they are really not very nice people. Which their words and actions amply demonstrate.

see previous thread:
OP TerfAndSerf wrote:
"Morgane Oger, that well known "mom" of two, is running for mayor of Vancouver.

One planks of 'her' manifesto is shutting down the Vancouver Rape Relief Shelter because of its anti-trans policy.

Not spiteful at all......."
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3269698-Morgane-Oger-is-campaigning-to-shut-down-a-rape-crisis-centre-in

"Jaesse, in WW2 we had to ally ourselves with Stalin in order to defeat the Nazis"

That was ironic right?

Its not irony, its a statement of historical fact.
( it also doesn't mean that the PP has "Just implied that all trans people are Nazis" in the style of Pink News propaganda headlines)

Don't put words into my mouth. Some people got off quite nicely after WW2 - for others, Stalin was more of a monster than Hitler. This isn't just about pragmatism.

I applaud her, and if she wins, I and my children will benefit from her bravery and her actions.

Feminists come from all political backgrounds, and as I see it the left has abandoned women on this issue (and many others, indeed). Under these conditions, anyone who fights for women's rights, is my ally.

And yes, kittens I think we've already said this many times, but I guess its a biggie to get our heads around.. :-)

I may not agree with much this woman stands for, in the same way as I may not agree with much Jeremy Corbyn stands for, or indeed with whatever your Venn Diagram represents.

Its not JaesseJexa's Venn diagram, its often used on FWR to demonstrate in simple terms the overlaps and differences between three groups.
JJM may have either misunderstood the Venn diagram and how it works or they are deliberately misrepresenting.

Oh, and indeed R0, has clearly already made this point quicker than me above, whilst adding additional nuance and fact!

Good on her.

Also:

Rightwonf woman agrees with left wing woman. Does this mean that either:

A. Left wing woman must automatically oppose right wing woman because right wing= evil

Or

B. This may be an issue that affects all women.

I’m going for b, myself.

Christian women are women
Right wing women are women
Men are not women.

"
What the fuck is that all about"

She is identifying the grounds under which she has been discriminated against - religion, sexuality, gender identity, sex.

When right wingers and radical feminists agree on something it's generally an indication that the thing they're agreeing on is at a "water is wet" level of obviousness, rather than of a conspiracy worthy of tightening your tinfoil hat over.

Might be t-shirt worthy:

When right wingers and radical feminists agree on something it's generally an indication that the thing they're agreeing on is at a "water is wet" level of obviousness, rather than of a conspiracy worthy of tightening your tinfoil hat over.

Christian (and Muslim, Jewish (orthodox or otherwise), Hindu, Sikh and Buddhist) women have as much right to protest at the erosion of their rights as women of no faith. And to have us stand with them on this.

When right wingers and radical feminists agree on something it's generally an indication that the thing they're agreeing on is at a "water is wet" level of obviousness, rather than of a conspiracy worthy of tightening your tinfoil hat over.

YES.