Would you unfollow

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I am an enormous fan of an artist on Instagram, he is an ex Disney animator and an art lecturer, very talented, I have all his books and absolutely adore his work.

He is the proud father of daughters which I think is relevant. I was absolutely shocked to see this post this morning on his Instagram page. Many, many of his followers have shared my disgust. Would you unfollow?

Why oh why do (usually white) middle-aged men persist in wanting to control women’s bodies? Makes me sick.

Hope the pics upload.

I found the cut off mother’s head in his drawing particularly tasteless, completely dehumanising the woman and clearly showing how little he values her life over the baby’s.

I would unfollow without hesitation. He can fuck off

Actually I wouldn't unfollow as he is only talking about legalisation of abortion in the third trimester. He may well agree with abortion in the 1st or even the 2nd trimester we don't know his stance on that.

It’s none of his businsss.

I don't care what his stance is, if you find out that you cannot continue with a pregnancy then you need an abortion.

People are amazingly ignorant of the reasons why abortions become necessary. They also don't want to hear about how restrictive laws are twisted to make doctors and women liable for natural events such as stillbirth and miscarriage.

Everyone is allowed to their own opinion I guess. Artists inparticular like to convey their opinions on social matters. If you are that offended then just unfollow yes.

I've always considered myself pro choice but I'm deeply uncomfortable with the notion of third trimester abortions, unless there was an extreme medical need such as baby not being able to live outside the womb or risk to mother's life.
It doesn't seem 100% clear as to whether or not the law will mean someone can elect to have a late term abortion in the same way as she can choose at, say, 12 weeks for 'social' (for want of a better word) reasons etc

But I accept that it's an emotional response, personal to me alone, and that I'm not entitled to an opinion on the choices of other women.

They’re only performed when there is extreme medical need to do so.

How many 3rd trimester abortions do you think happen because the woman has changed her mind about the pregnancy? Almost none, that's how many. And a woman who terminates at the last minute with no medical reason is highly likely to have social reasons for it (rape, trauma, mentally ill, addiction, abuse)

No fucker is aborting late term pregnancies on a whim

When I read about partial birth abortions that were done in the third trimester I agree with him.

I'm not going to look at this new law so am going to assume it's only for extreme cases and not a choice like a first trimester one is.

By 3rd trimester I actually meant late term after 20 weeks

They’re only performed when there is extreme medical need to do so.

I was struggling to find anything which spelled that out explicitly, willing to accept I might have been looking at right wing leaning sources with their associated agendas...not very learned am I in the left vs right sources in the USA.

@TheTroutofNoCraic yes I agree with medical reasons or where there is a possibility of death to the mother or child. Having a third trimester abortion just because the mother doesn't want the baby doesn't sit well with me. I don't think this would happen a lot though.

I would probably unfollow. Of course he's entitled (!) to his own opinion, but equally those opinions will put some people off.

Before forming an opinion, seek information from reliable sources. Not any media. Organisations which know the reality.

And a woman who terminates at the last minute with no medical reason is highly likely to have social reasons for it (rape, trauma, mentally ill, addiction, abuse)

I get that it's not going to be a light hearted or whimsical decision, of course. Emotion speaking again, either way the woman would have to physically deliver the baby, dead or alive...so I'm perplexed as to why any of those circumstances would permit killing a healthy baby before delivery?

I would, if he shows a continued reluctance to actually inform himself after others have made comments about his lack of knowledge.

I think his comment shows incredible chosen ignorance about third term abortions. These are not only rare but also most often for wanted and even planned pregnancies where there are serious threats to the mothers life or the fetus is not viable/child will be born with severe complications that are incompatible with life beyond minutes or hours, or both. It is an incredibly difficult decision for these women and their families to be facing. But anti-choice persons like to promote the rhetoric women are just randomly opting to abort healthy pregnancies 6+ months in because they “changed their mind” or did not want to give up their social life and such. Horribly insulting and painful to those who actually are facing these decisions.

Before forming an opinion, seek information from reliable sources. Not any media. Organisations which know the reality

Can you point me in the direction of any organisations which could furnish me with reliable information please? I see that I need clearer understanding of this.

I wouldn't unfollow. If there's a medical reason for abortion it would've been done before the third trimester. A baby born at 24 weeks has a chance. Just my opinion

I’ve only ever heard of one late term (third trimester) abortion that wasn’t because either the mother’s life was at risk, or the fetus incompatible with life. And to be honest the little I know is bare bones. That case was a teenager who only learnt she was pregnant after 20 weeks.

I don’t believe any woman wakes up in late pregnancy and just decides that she cannot be pregnant anymore without good reason.

I’d probably unfollow at least temporarily. But also join the chorus telling him that he will never be in the position of having to make this decision and that ‘love both’ is understood by most of us to mean that the person using the term values women not enough.

The 20 week scan is when the majority of foetal anomalies are spotted. If that scan takes place a couple of weeks behind schedule and a couple more weeks are needed for the parents to receive counselling before deciding and then, if required, organising a termination means that regrettably, some terminations will technically be in the ‘third trimester’.

As a PP said, terminations are not sought on a whim at this stage of pregnancy (I personally don’t think many terminations are sought on a whim at any stage, it’s a difficult choice and generally has emotional consequences). ‘Pro choice’ makes it sound like a consumer decision, it’s a minimising phrase.

These are not only rare but also most often for wanted and even planned pregnancies where there are serious threats to the mothers life or the fetus is not viable/child will be born with severe complications that are incompatible with life beyond minutes or hours, or both.

I completely understand that...I have a friend who had an emergency c-section at 32 weeks as she was diagnosed with breast cancer and they needed to get baby delivered in order to treat her. Surely in cases of risk to mother's life/healthy baby an emergency c section delivery would be preferable to abortion and then traumatic vaginal delivery?

The point is, imo, that these discussions should be between the woman and her medical advisors, not legislated for (by men) and for various decisions to be made a criminal offence.

I wouldn't unfollow someone who's posts I enjoyed because I disagree with them on one issue. I subscribe to a YouTuber who is trans and fully follows the ideology I disagree with- I enjoy their main content which isn't related so I just ignore the rest.

If there's a medical reason for abortion it would've been done before the third trimester. A baby born at 24 weeks has a chance. Just my opinion

Many tests are not done until after or confirmation of diagnosis from earlier testing does not happen until after 20 weeks (after scans, genetic testing via amniocentesis). You are also wholly denying the reality that even if a fetus may be viable the woman’s life may become threatened after 20 weeks. Yes, a healthy fetus born at 24 weeks has a “chance” if born with extreme medical intervention, resources, and time, and carries significant risk of life long disabilities as well. Not all families are in a position to be able to handle this, especially in places where one does not have socialized medicine or other social supports and the costs of millions in healthcare have to come from somewhere.

I wouldn't unfollow someone who's posts I enjoyed because I disagree with them on one issue.
I'm in this camp. Unless I suppose following that person sends a political message in itself. I don't follow anyone (not on IG or T) so it's not a problem I come up against, but it is a minefield.
Fundamentally this is an artist, enjoying their work I don't personally believe means supporting all their political ideals. It's just that now we get to hear about them whereas in the past we would never have known.