Trousers are gender-fluid now

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From today’s Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/fashion/2019/jan/25/grown-up-trousers-v-fantasy-gowns-red-carpet-showcases-change-award-season

And I thought they were just trousers. I guess that makes about 90% of women in the western world gender fluid.

I thank you, I thank you... (circa 1999)

Blinks and eye on that one. Nice wireless microphone.

What I find so inexplicable about nonsense like this is, wearing trousers is not a statement for the vast majority of women. They're just clothes. It's so regressive. I'm not gender fluid. I am an adult human female and I like to wear trousers.

Well I have never heard anyone suggest trousers are a statement before today. That's one persons view and is irrelevant in the scheme of things. I wouldn't let it get to you, as regressive as it is.

Why is he wearing clarks school shoes?

Who is he?

Who is he? WHO IS HE? Kevin Dexys-Midnight-Runners Rolland!

Rowland (in case you want to google him). The frock stage didn’t last long.

Another genderfluid garment - not. What a load of old toot.

I'm not sure if this a reasonable assumption now that gender fluidity is in the spotlight. Aside from wearing a kilt is nothing to do with gender or an expression of... A Scotsman has always viewed a kilt as not the same as a skirt, in my reality I cant see the difference, other than the material is very thick and heavy to wear and it has the standard tartan pattern. We are used to seeing Scotsmen wearing them and think nothing of it, but if a man or boy wears a skirt walking down the road he would likely be glared at by many people in the same way most women are very familiar with. He may even be subject to ridicule and worse in some places. I wander why that would be.

I spent most of my teenaged years wearing kilts (teamed with a velvet floppy hat - child of the 90's). who knew that I was expressing my masculine gender identity?

Thinks I'm a bit dim at the moment because I don't quiet understand what your meaning to say. But out of genuine curiosity as a Scotsman yourself, do you view it as a skirt or something else? I think men in kilts look really nice & I don't feel any differently about boys or men wearing them.

Correction to above.. dont feel any differently about boys or men wearing skirts*

megan - please explain to me the difference between a kilt and a skirt?

Hold on, what now?

I was under the impression that some ultra-Conservative types had issues with women wearing trousers because they apparently draw to much attention to our... erm... womanly assets. Except now they apparently also mark us out as being fluid about just how womenly said assets are?

I'm confused...

I don't know a lot about kilts as a garment, other than visually they don't appear that much different than a skirt in looks and obviously they are not made from materials normally associated with women's skirts. Excuse my ignorance.

Fashion psychologist I can't fecking breath.

@TakenForSlanted Sorry, I absolutely agree with your there, i'm probably off topic with me musings. I was just being curious about kilts and peoples perceptions of them a skirts.

Carolyn Mair, a fashion psychologist, said: “By wearing trousers, you’re making a statement about gender fluidity, that you don’t want to be objectified. But floaty dresses, especially the fantasy ones, and provided they aren’t overtly sexualised, give an equally powerful statement of ‘I can dress like this, but it doesn’t give you a right to touch me’.”

Carolyn has just completely made that up! 😂 What absolute horseshit. Also, if you are wearing a dress that is 'overtly sexualised' (whatever that means) , does that mean that you are inviting blokes to touch you? What if you just like the dress?

I have just looked round at the women in my office. There are about a dozen women, various ages and professions, 2 are wearing skirts, the rest trousers.

I had no idea there was so much gender fluidity here.

@Beerflavourednipples

Carolyn Mair needs to see a psychologist I think. I cant help but feel she is trying to be with the in-crown with that gender fluid comment. I guess the overtly sexualised dress or skirt is one that leaves very little to the imagination and will obviously entice men to look in there direction, that's human nature and that will never change. But that doesn't give anyone a right to touch you, absolutely not. Everyone should be able to wear what they like as long as it appropriately conceals their intimate parts.

I am wearing jeans today. I am still very much an adult human female.

HTH.

Absolute fuckwittage.

Thank you for the giggles. I never realized how rebellious my clothing choices were!

A mans kilt (a proper one) is about 30 feet of pleated wool - bloody heavy - whereas the and version is a lot less fabric! And more swishy of you ask me.

Carolyn Mair, a fashion psychologist, said: “By wearing trousers, you’re making a statement about gender fluidity, that you don’t want to be objectified. But floaty dresses, especially the fantasy ones, and provided they aren’t overtly sexualised, give an equally powerful statement of ‘I can dress like this, but it doesn’t give you a right to touch me’.”

It's all very complicated,isn't it? Somewhere in there is the perfect garment that says "hey,I"m a woman wearing clothes" but by the time you've sorted it out from the piles of trousers,overtly sexy dresses,floaty dresses,not-quite-so floaty dresses,fantasy dresses,all messaging away like the language of flowers you'll prob be late for whatever you are getting dressed for.
DH finds it hard too,though his clothes tend to be saying "I'm a bloke who doesn't care about ironing........"