Women are a subset of people who can menstruate

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I mean, that is basically all. Could it be clearer that this movement wants to erase women, and therefore prevent women from naming our sex-based oppression?

And if you don't menstruate?? Ffs.

I stopped being a woman 16 months ago then, when I had my last period. What am I now please?

Ok, for those who are unclear on material reality: women (and girls) form the sex class that is capable of ova production, menstruation and gestation. The fact that a very small minority of girls are born without that capability, and the fact that older women sometimes lose that capability because of medical conditions or just living long enough to achieve menopause, does not obscure the fact that women are the only sex class capable of producing ova and gestating zygotes/embryros/fetuses and then giving birth to infant humans.

"Woman" is inclusive to trans men and non binary!

Non binary is not something I've given a lot of time to, I hear it and assume a bad dye job and some ear stretchers, frankly.
But it's an interesting idea. If you can legally (and in some places you can) opt out of being either sex, what else can you opt out of?
For example you could be both adult and child, or both disabled and able bodied, why create any distinctions that are binary when everything is a spectrum? And both age and disability could much more reasonably be described as on a spectrum.
Age wise, one could identify as (say) 17 permanently. Full time education forever but able to consent to sex, for example.
We create those descriptive binaries for reasons of segregation, basically. Employed/unemployed. Adult/child. Qualifying/non-qualifying.
What if I identify as non-British, (not far off non-dom tax status!) but don't chose to identify as any other nationality? Does that make me stateless?
We don't really allow any other non-binary choices, but there seems to be growing acceptance of non-binary as both valid (you can't opt out of reality) and a choice (you can't choose reality).
Where legal provision recognises this it (to my mind) creates an equally dangerous precedent to accepting men are women because they say so.

I must be too old or something because all this nonsense (to me it's nonsense anyway) about binary, non-binary, gender fluidity, gender this, gender that, etc, etc is getting on my tits. Genetics largely determine our biological sex, male or female, end of. How we identify ourselves is now the Big Issue, apparently. Why now? Is it a fad? Why am I being forced to care? At the university I attend, the nearest washrooms are gender neutral which annoys me because I don't want to men to hear me fart or have a cry or watch me reapply my lipstick. The men look just as uncomfortable as I feel.

But it's not about fluidity really is it? It's an opt-out.
We could opt out of being "western" so we didn't have to feel any guilt or concern for a poor Malian woman with too any kids and FGM injuries. In fact, that kind of thinking might be why women are opting out of being women.

That tweet screen-grabbed in the OP surely excludes 'transwomen' doesn't it (along with women who are menopausal, etc)?

A subset means all members of it belong to the main category.

It is saying 'all women and some others menstruate'.

How come the TRAs aren't up in arms about that?

Perhaps 'menstruators' is such a degrading description of women they'd rather leave it to the vagina people.....

But then again, I bet there are some AGPs mincing about calling each other menstruators, as we speak, at venues like the Way Out club. You can't bloody win with people who turn every aspect of your life into wank fodder.

As Billy demonstrates, the statement is untrue. Women are not a subset of menstruators. Menstruators are a subset of women. It doesn’t work the other way round.

Apologies WeRise. Apparently I can’t read. No idea how I missed your post.

So we have to include trans men and non binary people and trans women, in every little thing we do or say it seems.
Remind me who men are being forced to include and make room for..
I've not been a mensrtuator for 2 years, got myself a lovely implant so I don't have to suffer debilitating Hormone induced headaches every month, its almost as if I'm a man.
In fact is it only mensrtuators who have to be inclusive? Can I just opt out of this absolute bullshit like the men have?

Perhaps 'menstruators' is such a degrading description of women they'd rather leave it to the vagina people.....

Given the number of trans women who claim to menstruate or at least have 'periods' because having periods has nothing to do with female biology, you can identify into and out of them I would imagine that they aren't too happy with this either

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I'm not a subset of anything. I'm a woman.
Admittedly I'm in a stinkingly bad mood at the moment (illness mostly but I'm pissed off that all the bloody hard work previous generations of feminists have done to tear down walls and remove labels has been taken over by asshats who think what we all need is more sodding labels.
Fuck off with your subsets.

If a menstruating woman idetifies as a man, where are we then?

(Some) women, (some) girls and (some) trans men can menstruate. So the statement is a bit inaccurate whichever way you cut it. Particularly considering that in some societies, menarche defines womanhood.

This really annoys me.

I’ve seen on twitter today people saying that issues around periods (such as period poverty) aren’t ‘women’s issues’ but are ’menstruater issues’.
This is complete bullshit,
I don’t menstruate because I am on the mirena coil, the reason I am on the mirena coil is because it stops my periods and it means I won’t get pregnant. All my life I have had to deal with being the of the sex class that gestates the young, it’s not just about the physical act of menstruation but that is one element that comes with being the sex class who gestates the young.
No one looking at me can tell if I menstruate or not, but they can tell I am a woman, most discrimination I receive is not because of the actual act but because of the fact that people perceive my body to be able to do it.
I pump hormones into my body so that I won’t menstruate and won’t get pregnant in the past I did this because it meant I didn’t have to buy tampons and pads when I couldn’t afford it.

I don’t know if I’m explaining my self properly but saying period issues only affect women who menstruate makes me so fucking angry.

The burden of hormonal contraception, the perception that you will get pregnant so might be a job risk, the fact that many drugs are only tested on Male bodies because the change of hormones during a woman’s cycle means it’s deemed too complicated to test on women. These things affect all women, and the the things that don’t affect all women the only people they do affect are women.

This country has a huge problem with elevating objective scientific facts above polemics.

Scientific facts are superior to (woke-bro) political polemics. End of.

Those with XY chromosomes are born as and will die XYs, they are scientifically and popularly known as boys and men.

Those with XXs chromosomes are born as and will die XXs, they are scientifically and popularly known as girls and women.

I really could not care less about the make believe language that exists outside those scientific perimeters.

Do we really need to have a protracted discussion about the centering of clown fish in our feminist movements.
The answer I am hoping for is : NO.

Are TRAs, and their handmaids, intentionally denying objective sex based reality and side lining scientific facts to secure political gains: YES.

"Doesn't understand how human biology works", "wishful thinking", and "complete and utter bollocks" are all subsets of the larger category "TRA ideology".

My word, that's a bold statement. And also a massive load of shit. You only need to think about the word-jumble for a millisecond before it becomes impossible to accept. Because of reality.
Ugh, so tiring.

I really could not care less about the make believe language that exists outside those scientific perimeters
Precisely this GCSocScientist

Non-binary is not something I've given a lot of time to, I hear it and assume a bad dye job and some ear stretchers, frankly

this : )

and women will NEVER be a subset of anything

Well, women are a subset of the category "humans", but TRAs seem to object strenuously to that idea.

I really don’t get this. Surely it is impossible for anyone, other than a woman to menstruate?

If 'women' is a term that frightens trans and non-binary people, how about using 'females' instead? It is an even more inclusive term, as it includes girls as well.