Emily Wilding Davison Engineering Scholarship for women.....

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Because women have traditionally been excluded from / under-represented in engineering, right? Probably due to gendered stereotyping and pressure.
Right?
So good for the University of Northumbria for encouraging women to step forward in a largely male oriented field.
Right?

Oh, wait. See the first line of the T&C....
Emily Wilding Davis scholarship

Emily Davison would be turning in her grave, right?

Why say it's for women if it's for anyone? Why not just be honest about it?

Who’s going to write to them?

Does this include or exclude people who don't believe they have a gender?

Oh god, so it’s not a scholarship for women, it’s a scholarship for anyone at all?!!

I wonder if they are aware that trans women would have had the same rights as men in 1913 when Emily Davison was hit by the King's horse and that no amount of identifying would have enabled trans men to have those rights.

Some useful facts and figures re women in engineering in the U.K.:

www.wes.org.uk/content/wesstatistics

At least it distinguishes between women and those who only identify as them. Basically saying that transwomen aren't women. Subtle, but neatly done.

Should be for women and trans men. Why can’t we have those sorts of scholarships?

I'm somewhat relaxed because I'd bet on a young woman budding engineer winning the award rather than someone focussed on their identity. It's a silly policy but hopefully will have little bearing on reality.

My DD won an IET scholarship last year, her sponsor had a policy of 50:50 M:F - because they're acutely aware of the need to recruit more women. I don't know what their criteria are but I'm pretty sure they were focussed on supporting actual women.

"be a woman or identify as a woman"

Yes, it doesn't follow TWAW.

But you would think that once they had decided to offer a women only scholarship they might think about the reasons they had made it women only and then the implications of giving it to 'those who identify'.....

Namedhanged, but I'm a regular.

I am a mature student at this uni. Would it be worth writing an email?

Errol and I suppose it's possible that as Transwomen seem very keen to pin themselves to the gender expectations of what it is to be a woman, they might not include 'engineering'.

Or maybe I shouldn't gender stereotype Transwomen / those who identify as women .

And in real life, hopefully the scholarship will go to a young female engineer.

But why even say it is for self- id-ers?

Do it HawayMan! Good luck!

Okay, how does this sound:

Dear X,

I am proud female student at Northumbria University. I was delighted to see your recent scholarship advertisement for female engineering students at our university. However, upon reading the terms and conditions of the advertisement, I saw a specification that the student must "be a women or identify as a woman". I am confused as to what this statement means. Could you please clarify your definition of "woman" and explain how one can identify as one. I look forward to your response.

Thank you for your time.

One area where transwomen are vastly over-represented is STEM...

Could you please clarify your definition of "woman" and explain how one can identify as one. I look forward to your response.

Excellent!

There was a thread a while ago in which someone got very sensible response from (IIRC) one of the engineering institutes... might be worth trying to find that to see if there's anything in it worth quoting.

One area where transwomen are vastly over-represented is STEM..

Do you know of any stats on that? I know there's supposed to be a lot of trans people in various software type things but not sure if that holds for actual engineering and sciences?

So... Northumbria Uni, just to clarify.....can anyone applying for this STEM scholarship for women:-

identify as a UK/EU applicant
identify as having a household income of under £40,000
identify as having no previous study in Higher Education
identify as meeting all individual entry requirements
identify as a self-funded student

No?..... Just the dictionary definition of the word woman you can't cope with. Otherwise, material reality rules?

Jesus, it all feels overwhelmingly bad at the moment.

This is pathetic.
But I do agree with the PP in that the engineering discipline is fairly self selective and is unlikely to appeal to people obsessed with their own identity, nor are they likely to demonstrate the requisite critical thinking and well, logic.

Northumbria 'engineering and environment' is a bit of a mixed bag though.

Girls who Code have similarly inclusive language to the point of maybe-you-should-change-your-organisation’s-name-to/better-reflect-your-wokeness.
IT isn’t short on transwomen or men, it needs women.

girlswhocode.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360010933794-Who-is-eligible-to-join-a-Club-?mobile_site=true

Open to girls who:
“Identify as female, regardless of gender assignment at birth or legal recognition.”

FFS an organisation set up to solve a problem that forgets what the problem is.

Ugh. The thing is they are giving this scholarship as "Positive Action" which is allowed under the Equality Act - - i. e. For people with a particular underrepresented protected characteristic: in this case being a woman.

But then they've opened it up to people with the protected characteristic of being men, as long as they have the separate protected characteristic of "gender reassignment"

I don't think they can legitimately do this!

What is it about female ‘identity’ that they think prevents people from coding?

I guess long painted nails get in the way on the keyboard?