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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another "woman" involved in violent attack.

50 replies

Blockyiursekf · 18/01/2019 07:11

Sorry can't link on phone. BBC article.

Australian woman convicted of an axe attack on 3 people. Pertinent paragraph at the end;-

She testified that her mental health had declined prior to the attack, after she began taking hormones to transition from male to female.

I wonder if they'll end up in a womans prison?

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OrchidInTheSun · 18/01/2019 10:33

Nope he doesn't have a vagina. He just doesn't have a penis.

Blockyiursekf · 18/01/2019 10:57

How many people will read the headline, not read the article or bother getting to the bottom of it and say it's proof women are becoming more violent?

At least give us vagina owners the courtesy of calling this individual a transwoman.

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Floisme · 18/01/2019 12:00

Exactly - See! See! women are just as bad.
Every time this happens, those voices will get louder and the stats less trustworthy.

StrangeLookingParasite · 18/01/2019 15:02

Yep, another ultra-violent physical attack said to have been committed by a woman. How incredibly false will the crime statistics become?
I can't decide if this makes me furious or disgusted. Both I suspect.

FloralBunting · 18/01/2019 15:12

From that Mail article it seems there's even an attempt to suggest that a woman sexually rejecting this person is a trigger to this violence.

Never heard of that kind of thing before, eh?

R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 16:13

There's a lot more coverage here:

"Enmore: The axe terror on the weekend wasn't confined to the 7-11 a third person was also targeted yhoo.it/2jm2kQW @ alexhart7 #7News"

twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/1086072322593775622

R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 16:15

Nope he doesn't have a vagina. He just doesn't have a penis

I don't have a uterus, fallopian tubes, ovaries or a cervix.
I did have.
They were removed as part of neccessary surgery.

Still female, still a woman.

OhHolyJesus · 18/01/2019 16:46

I saw this OP on BBC news website and was suspicious that it was a woman as it's an extremely violent crime. I saw the Australian news link on Posie's Facebook that accurately reported it as a transwoman.

Not only does this shite reporting from BBC give me the rage but I'm furious again that crime stats will likely be misrepresented.

Also, now I see the defence was based on hormone treatment - well I think we have more reasons to be scared of transwomen in women's toilets if they can be so seriously affected by hormone treatment so to want to kill people!!!

littlecabbage · 18/01/2019 16:54

Have just sent the following complaint to the BBC:

"It is deliberately misleading and inaccurate to describe crime committed by a biologically male person as being committed by a woman. It is well known that violent crime is statistically far more likely to be committed by males, and if this particular news story was about a genuinely biologically female criminal, that would be more unusual and shocking.

It is not possible to actually change biological sex, however much an individual may wish to, so this person should be described as a transwoman, not as a woman. That is not discriminatory or transphobic, but simply factually accurate.

OlennasWimple · 18/01/2019 17:28

Is there any evidence that female hormones make you psychotic?

Yeah, that's why we are all a bunch of hysterical haridans, obv

/s

OrchidInTheSun · 18/01/2019 17:32

Sorry R0 - my post seems out of context and I wasn't implying that women without their gynaecological bits are lesser women.

I was replying to someone who said that a neo-vagina isn't a vagina and agreeing with her. Although that post has been deleted Hmm

R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 17:35

littlecabbage I've copied your complaint and this thread to the one below:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here?

R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 17:37

OrchidInTheSun I didn't think you had Smile

Its often used by others though as 'proof' that a male has become a woman/female.

OrchidInTheSun · 18/01/2019 17:57

I hope you know me better than that! But yes, I know it's often used. I shall be more careful in future :)

R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 18:01

I do indeed and you've nothing to regret or change.
I was just adding my comment to the discussion.

Sorry for not making that clear. Smile

littlecabbage · 18/01/2019 18:11

littlecabbage I've copied your complaint and this thread to the one below:

Thanks R0wantrees.

QuietContraryMary · 25/01/2019 10:37

Interview with the victim here

www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/she-nearly-cut-my-head-in-half-evie-amati-axe-victim-ben-rimmer-breaks-silence/news-story/bc240cd9c7833474c1051b67a125906d

"Ben Rimmer has revealed how Amati slammed the axe into his face and in an exclusive interview told news.com.au, “If I hadn’t turn my head at the last minute she would have cut my head in half.”

Mr Rimmer has released disturbing never-before-published photographs of him after the attack, and details of how his face is now held together with metal plates he can touch through his skin.

He is doing so in an effort to get Amati’s sentence increased on appeal. She was sentenced to a minimum of four and a half years behind bars, after her lawyer argued her transgender operation caused her immense pain and contributed to her later trying to kill strangers."

"“She went there to kill. It’s only pure luck that I’m alive and she’s not remorseful. She’s intelligent … calculating,” he said.

“She’ll do her time easily and get paroled in mid-2021. It’s played out perfectly for her, perhaps better than she expected.”"

News.com.au has learned that Amati, who has been held in three different women’s prisons since her arrest two years ago, has used her intelligence and skills as former union organiser Karl Amati to push other female inmates around in the system.

Ben Rimmer believes Amati, who news.com.au reported was an arrogant and lazy union staffer with a huge sense of entitlement when working as an organiser for the CPSU, will walk out of prison scot-free in mid-2021 and won’t be reformed.

Ben, meanwhile, will spend the rest of his life with four titanium plates in his face, including an orbital plate which moves and which he can feel every time he touches it.

QuietContraryMary · 25/01/2019 10:42

The male entitlement is overwhelming - Amati was upset at his Tinder date, so posted on Facebook that “Most people deserve to die, I hate people”, then bludgeoned a random victim nearly to death.

And he's used to getting what he wants as a Union boss, with women on dates (except when he doesn't so he tries to kill someone instead), now he's in a women's prison.

It's male violence, the gaslighting of the victim here is disgusting.

QuietContraryMary · 25/01/2019 10:45

"News.com.au has learned that Amati, who has been held in three different women’s prisons since her arrest two years ago, has used her intelligence and skills as former union organiser Karl Amati to push other female inmates around in the system."

'Her skills'? Or the simple fact of biologically superior strength.

andyoldlabour · 25/01/2019 11:10

This comment from the Twitter feed really got my attention, and I really agree with it.

"just think..if this young bloke was recognised as having a mental illness and offered support rather than having his condtion celebrated this probably never would have happened."

littlecabbage · 25/01/2019 13:09

That video made my blood run cold. I fervently hope Ben Rimmer gets justice and that the sentence is increased.

feelingverylazytoday · 25/01/2019 14:07

This is fucking disgusting by any standards, and I would say exactly the same if it was a female. Such a horrible crime deserves a life sentence, in a secure unit. This person may require specialist psychiatric care, but society needs protection from this level of violence.
WTF is happening in Australia, Canada and the UK?

Blockyiursekf · 26/01/2019 18:19

Well done to everyone who complained. At least the word transgender is in the first line now.

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littlecabbage · 26/01/2019 18:40

Thanks for the update Blockyiursekf

Oxytocindeficient · 26/01/2019 19:21

"just think..if this young bloke was recognised as having a mental illness and offered support rather than having his condtion celebrated this probably never would have happened."

Yup

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