Drag queens pose in bond age gear for calendar in aid of Mermaids

[JoanSummers]

I'm not sure if this has been posted?

"A local drag community in Newcastle have come together in style to create a one-of-a-kind 2019 calendar, with all proceeds going to charity to support transgender children and young people across the UK."

The February and March photos are attached.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6577301/Drag-queens-pose-glamorous-calendar.html

I hope Mermaids’ involvement in this sexualised calendar, is more evidence against the lottery grant.

How about (actual) women in similar poses raising money for the victims of child sex abuse next?
I’ve got no big issue with drag ( apart from the stereotypical “womaning”) but this is awful

Is more evidence against the lottery grant.

That's pretty much over, the grant will be given.

I'm horrified Mermaids put their branding on this. Shows that they are either tone deaf to how it comes across or they believe they are untouchable. Maybe both.

As long as their attractions and desires are between consenting adults and not harming anyone

But this isn't just between consenting adults it's a calendar to raise money for a childrens charity, not someone's private photos. I'd look at a calendar for a children's charity on the assumption it wouldn't be sexualised. Lots of people will see this and need eye bleach. Possibly some children too. Not ok on any level.

they believe they are untouchable

They are, because they are protected from above, nothing is going to change this for a long time yet.

They could have calenders with naked children and still be protected right now.

As can stonewall.

Drag queens often see what they’re doing as a ‘performing art’ and return to their usual self afterwards.
There is nothing wrong with a man wanting to wear a dress with makeup and heels, or a woman wanting to wear jeans and shirts and cut their hair short. Wanting to dress as the opposite sex is not wrong. In the same way some woman want to wear extensions with big lashes and tight dresses and some woman prefer baggy clothing, One is not more normal or right over the other. Likewise, having an attraction to someone who dresses or acts in a certain way is not wrong.
As long as their attractions and desires are between consenting adults and not harming anyone, it’s none of your business.
Have to say, I agree with this. I've got no issue with drag, it's a gay institution. Drag queens and cabaret, along with raunchy humour, are entertainment. For adults.
The issue here is that this isn't the right kind of calendar to use for children's fundraising. Even if the drag queens only meant to help. It's too near the knuckle.
Some posters believe that drag is misogynistic and it might well be, gay men can be quite misogynistic. It isn't trans though, it's a performance. And the vast majority of drag queens are gay men, not AGP married straight men.
Paul O Grady is a great example, Lily Savage was a comedy act, did a tights advert etc. Then he took off the makeup and became a presenter in his own right. Like how Sacha Baron Cohen doesn't live dressed as Borat.
Something can be completely inappropriate without having to be pornography. I suggested some other inappropriate fundraising above. Imagine a pub crawl to raise funds for someone with cirrhosis. I mean, you can argue anything away if you call the complainant "miserable" but some things just really are a bad idea and this was one of them.

No, drag isn't trans. In fact, there's quite a thing about distancing trans from drag because drag is men who know they are men, dressed as women.

Which leaves us with a rather confusing, distasteful conundrum - why would a 'wholesome' charity for young people, keen to present their approach of normalizing transition to troubled children use a calendar filled with highly sexualized images of men dressing as women to raise funds?

Which leaves us with a rather confusing, distasteful conundrum - why would a 'wholesome' charity for young people, keen to present their approach of normalizing transition to troubled children use a calendar filled with highly sexualized images of men dressing as women to raise funds?
I don't get it. I'm not sure why a bunch of gay men would volunteer their time for this either. Do they realise gay youth are being transed?
It's all very odd.

There is a definite alliance somewhere. Because the drag queens going into kindergartens were addressing hate speech. That was their remit.

So they seemed to be blurring the lines between trans and drag, themselves.

Boundaries are just so conservative, man. You're just so uptight.

There is a definite alliance somewhere. Because the drag queens going into kindergartens were addressing hate speech. That was their remit

I’m interested to hear why discussing hate speech is a negative? Do you not want your children to be brought up knowing that hate speech is wrong?

A lot of drag queens will have faced some kind of hate speech in their lives, as gay men or drag acts, why would they not want to raise awareness and discuss it?

Kindergartens are nurseries. Why do three or four year olds need to discuss hate speech nevermind in the context of adult males dressing as women. Four year olds are still making sense of the world with themselves at the centre of the universe, there is no need to make them aware of an adult man’s painful experiences.
If society as a whole is keen to foist troubling emotions on children, talk to them about not calling other children names, let them be children.
So no I never discussed hate speech with my child at age 4- Octonauts, yes.

early

Yeah, you go and talk to two and three-year-olds about hate speech.

And don't forget to let them know that accurately identifying sex is all part of it.

Ffs.

Kindergarden starts at age 5
I don’t think it’s so bad to start teaching 5 year olds about people that are different. It obviously depends on the way they approached it and what was said but on the whole I think learning about acceptance and being nice to people that are different to you can be a good lesson for a 5 year old.

Teaching children to be kind and respectful is good. A charity for children having a calendar with sexualised photographs of grotesque 'drag queens' parodying women and looking at porn is wrong - as is introducing drag queens into primary schools.
Little children should be protected from adults exhibiting extreme sexualised behaviour / dress.

In the UK school starts at five. It's For nursery schools.

LONDON, England, November 14, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Starting tomorrow, men dressed as women will be reading stories to children as young as two at a chain of London nursery schools.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/news/drag-queen-story-time-comes-to-london-nursery-schools

My four year old came home from kindergarten all disturbed one day, because some other 4 year old had said ‚I‘ll kill you‘ to him and some other boys- out of the blue. Wasn‘t sure if the boy could and would actually kill them, and why.

These are the kinds of issues around hate speech kids have in kindergarten, early, not questions around how they need to accept any possible self-ID. They won‘t. They’ll tell a bloke in a dress he‘s a bloke, some random person that they look old or have funny make up, and they‘ll tell their peer that, no he is not Superman with Superpowers (unless it is their best friend), and none of it is hate speech.

Reception starts at age 5 in the U.K.
Kindergarten children are pre- schoolers at nursery.
Children see that people are different all around them; short, fat, brown, white, with disabilities. So what is it that is so different about men in drag that this cohort needs to be a special case for children to learn to be nice and accepting to? Nothing as far as I’m concerned, exactly what is it that I am missing here?

Why should children be taught accept men in drag at all? . A lot of women think it's sexist.

You haven't ever looked after, taught or raised children, have you earlywalker?

In ye olden days where us old lady prudes come from, the phrase for what you're doing now was "trying to teach grandmother to suck eggs". Nowadays we just call it mansplaining.

I don’t think it’s so bad to start teaching 5 year olds about people that are different. Maybe you think children are all blind and deaf before 5 and haven't noticed any differences between people? Especially the differences between men and women, even babies are aware of those. Conversations about differences and kindness abound in houses with young children. Conversations about the political concept of "hate speech", not so much.

Kindergarten (not "garden") is for children under 5, what we in the UK (the area of the world this calendar and Mermaids exist within) would call nursery or preschool. At 5 most children enter primary school. This is when they learn more about mixing with other children, follow instructions, sing songs, recite the alphabet, etc. The idea that this is an appropriate time or place to introduce men in oversexualised womanface, using names like "Dixie Swallows", to talk about "acceptance without exception" while parading fetishwear, can only be supported by paedophiles and their delusional and/or stupid enablers.

Kindergarden is an American term for first year of school starting at age 5, is it not? In the UK we call it nursery or preschool.
He’s reading a few books questioning gender stereotypes. He’s hardly gone in dressed in bondage telling them to accept self ID and do drag.
Drag queens accept they are men, I think it’s positive for kids to see men in dresses not being a woman, it’s great for questioning gender stereotypes.
I’m guessing they’ve chosen drag queens to do the talking as they stand out and so kids may listen to them? In the video he looks like the princesses you hire for parties.

Earlywalker you are such a wind up merchant, the last sentence really gave it away 👸🏼

If drag queens are just men wearing dresses and there's no fetish or misigyny in it, then why do they call themselves names like Dixie Swallows? Why don't they dress like ordinary women, I don't know any women at all that wear what you call "princess dresses" on a regular normal day. Especially into a school or nursery. What do you think would happen to a female teacher who dressed or wore makeup like a drag queen, or asked the kids to call her Dixie Swallows?

And that is a great question from ChewyLouie,

Children see that people are different all around them; short, fat, brown, white, with disabilities. So what is it that is so different about men in drag that this cohort needs to be a special case for children to learn to be nice and accepting to?

I don’t need to try to wind anyone up, even when I agree with you all, someone still gets their knickers in a twist over it

The article makes a good point, hate and discrimination is a learned behaviour it is not innate. If young kids can be taught about differences from a young age, it may help combat that. For example the books he’s reading To them, I know one of them is about a gay couple (penguin) that have a baby.

If you go in at age 10 for example with books about differences, people with asshole parents have already learnt their predjudices.