17yo wants £5k for egg freezing

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FTM teen is begging for internet donations

www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/ive-always-wanted-family-transgender-2411871

Said teen has a girlfriend but wants own eggs saved so they can be implanted in a surrogate at some point in the future.

Charlie says

"I may have been born with a biologically female body, but my brain is a boy."

In support of this is a photo playing football on the beach aged 11 wearing shorts, because only boys are allowed to wear shorts, obvs.

jesus

this obsession with getting other women to do your reproductive labour for you (literally)

stop trying to exploit others FFS

Well, at least the kid is wanting it for the partner to carry the child.

I'm reduced to small mercies.

the myth that you can "have it all" change sex, be male, be female, take hormones, have babies, take hormones that damage your reproductive system yet have a genetic baby....

That’s the problem isn’t it. The more commercial surrogacy is normalised by rich celebrities, the more the ordinary folk see it as something they have a right to. She’s 17 FFS. She has absolutely no idea what she will feel like in a few years time. Will she regret it, when her womb atrophies and she has to have a hysterectomy? What will she feel like when she does want children, maybe when she’s over 30, and her only option is surrogacy? I so wish someone would tell these kids that their bodies are perfect and amazing and they should leave them alone.

She has a girlfriend who I assume is female. This looks like a young lesbian being erased to me.

Somerset again, huh? So drag queens reading their stories to little kids in the public libraries, something else was going on there recently - is Bristol in Somerset? Oh yes, the naked men in the Bath swimming pool changing room. A place to avoid.

Fucks sake, bloody save up on her own for it.

*HIS own. Sorry.

It’s so sad that they’re passing up the chance to carry their own children based on this nonsense. I wasn’t ever 100% sure I wanted children until I met my husband and for all the physical toll that it takes on your body, I genuinely wouldn’t change being able to carry my own children for anything. I have DDs and I remember reading that girls are born with their eggs already formed so just by gestating girls, you have already created the eggs that could potentially become your grandchildren. It also made me feel even more closely connected to my own grandmother when I read that to think that the egg which ultimately became me was created by her. All the cliches came true for me particularly as I bf my children and so by the time they were 6 months old and started to have solid food, I felt a massive sense of pride that I had built these little people from single cells to fully functioning little humans. I know everyone’s experience of pregnancy and motherhood is different and I don’t want to make out that my positive one is any way representative of everybody but it was so profound for me and I wasn’t really expecting it as I was never the broody type beforehand. The thought that they could be passing that up for what seems like a nonsensical pseudoscientific ideology seems so sad.

Sometimes the narcissism of these people makes me think Brexit won’t be such a bad thing for that generation. There’s nothing like being totally skint and needing a job to stop you navel gazing and grow up. And everyone else will be skint too, so no Patreon/PayPal funding for them either.

see ive always been "well you cant change the way people feel" re the trans debate but this just makes me mad.

you cant have the best of both worlds. youre either male or female. If you TRULY believe you were born in the wrong body, I have no issue with that. transition if that what makes you feel better.

but why the fuck should you transition but get to keep the "useful bits"

nope. nope. nope.

I’m no expert but as I understood it, egg freezing isn’t really that successful in the way that freezing sperm is, and it’s only embryo freezing that gives a decent chance of a successful result???

Wow talk about having your cake and eating it too. The ultimate concern should be for the well being of any child. Just no.

Presumably the "surrogate" in this hypothetical case would have no legal rights over the child?

Which is why Charlie is wanting to go to the great expense to implant Olivia with Charlie's own fertilised eggs. That would mean that Olivia is not a legal parent to any child that is born after that process.

What is that they say on Mumsnet? When somebody shows you who they are, believe them the first time, Olivia.

And what if a woman does get pregnant and there is a foetal abnormality that is detected at 12 weeks, say? Can their partner force them to abort? Or force the woman to continue the pregnancy?

Sorry my post was a bit me me me but I do wonder at the logic of allowing people this young to make decisions like this when they’re not even old enough to vote. And I also object to the way the article positions it as though it’s this person’s only choice as the NHS won’t cover it, as though the NHS should cover it. If you’re voluntarily making your own healthy body sterile, that’s not something the NHS should have anything to do with.

The more I read stories like this, the more I think "just because we can, doesn't mean we should". Technology has galloped ahead of ethics in this one, and I'm beginning to be of the opinion that chosen sterility should not receive NHS funding for reversal, IVF or surrogacy.

The rest of it just makes me despair at the state of science education and mental health support for teenagers.

I don't think it is fair of the paper to publish this.

This person comes across as quite immature and vulnerable. They have a girlfriend of three months who has apparently volunteered to be the child bearer, and said they are even putting some of their Christmas money towards the egg freezing, not really a realistic grip of the situation.

Are we allowed to use the biologically correct pronouns again?

Funny thing is I scrolled through that article and the thing that caught my notice was Charlie's hips in one of the photos, to accommodate carrying and birthing a baby.

Don’t worry Jennings
Wee boy being hunted as we speak. Missing brain 🧠 body search underway

Urgh
It’s proper fucked up.

Notevenmyrealname I completely agree with your post. I’ve got two family members who are single and a bit disgusted by the idea of carrying their own child, but that’s mainly because they are early twenties and the point is moot so far. They’re not ready for kids, totally fine, enjoy yourself, but they don’t know how strong that desire to carry your own child is. You only have to read any of the heart rending infertility posts on this forum to see quite how desperately it affects women (and men) to be unable to have a child themselves. Carrying your own child might not be a magical experience for everyone but it is an amazing, awesome, wonderful thing that women’s bodies can do this because that is what they are designed to do. Most of the time, women’s bodies are bloody brilliantly at doing what they’re designed to do. Sometimes women are very sadly not able to conceive, carry and birth babies and it causes a huge amount of desperate unhappiness. To wilfully sterilise your otherwise healthy body is nothing short of self-mutilation, which is inexplicably supported by medical professionals, politicians and the fucking woke brigade.

Poor bloody kids.

(As a totally shallow aside, doesn't short hair suit a lot of these young 'transitioners' down to the ground? They look like most of my friends did in the 80s.)

"To wilfully sterilise your otherwise healthy body is nothing short of self-mutilation, which is inexplicably supported by medical professionals, politicians and the fucking woke brigade".

But even worse is that this young person is very clear that she desperately wants her own biological child.

My advice is to do nothing. Don't take testosterone and don't try to get pregnant. You've got a lot of living to do first and you will very likely feel very differently about a lot of things in 10 years time.

And I certainly don't mean to be rude whatsoever, but we only have people's word that they will use the money for egg freezing, for example. They might intend to use any money raised to fund a summer in Ibiza. There are a lot of charlatans and grifters hiding under the trans umbrella.

Not accusing Charlie of that of course.

"17yo wants £5k for egg freezing"

This seems so often at the heart of current issues.

"I want.... "

I was reminiscing with a friend recently that one of the key messages I remember from childhood along with 'don't damage books' was 'I want doesn't get'.