Bath Leisure Centre, naked men in ‘changing village’

[MrsSnippyPants]

Can anyone local confirm what the changing facilities are for swimming?
twitter.com/jeanhatchet/status/1082908745682829312?s=21

It's similar to the sharia thing. You need 10 women's testimony before it counts as evidence. We in the West are just a bit less upfront about it.

www.echo-news.co.uk/news/16884689.police-probe-launched-to-trace-pool-pervert/

It never happens, or if it happens, whats the problem?

I'm sure the ''if there is ever a problem, simply report it'' crowd will be along in a minute to claim that one as a success.

theOtherPamAyres
Corsham pool still has single sex changing. I'll be using that instead of Bath now.
OH confirms that there are plenty of opportunities with new layout at the Bath facilities for dodgy men to expose themselves. Grim.

I’ve posted this periodically on here, but we seem to have quite a few new members so I will mention it again in this thread.

The first time I ever used a mixed sex changing village (late 90s, Hertfordshire) a man put his head under the gap at the side. I was naked (believing I was safe in a locked cubicle).

20 years later I still feel sufficiently upset that I deliberately avoid mixed sex facilities, and wouldn’t want my daughters to use them either.

Anyone who has ever worked in a gym or leisure centre knows they are a target for voyeurs - luckily my local council pool is still resolutely single sex (and has additional single user facilities and larger sized locakable spaces for families, accessed completely separately to the single sex areas).

Nowadays it’s even easier for voyeurs to operate undetected due to ubiquitous, affordable technology and ‘progressiveness’ appears to be making it easier for exhibitionists too.

And yes, people (overwhelmingly Male-bodied people) under the trans umbrella commit sex crimes, same as other male bodied people do:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transvestite-fondles-woman-through-fur-13668679

Ps - I ‘reported’ it (after shouting swear words at the top of my voice to get him away from me).

The staff chased him out of the building, police were called. He was not apprehended.

From the link above:

"The woman described the door of the family changing cubicle as being open by more than a foot and said the man was laying on the baby-changing table “playing with himself”.

The woman added: “They acted quickly and took their child away and informed a life guard who did nothing.

“They then informed reception to which the man said “I’ll deal with it”.

“The creep that was pleasuring himself then following my friend and their child and the man on reception let the creep walk out of the building without confronting him".

So if it ever does happen, which it absolutely never does, rest assured that the staff will do absolutely nothing whatsoever to prevent it or deal with it afterwards.

There is also the 'women just need to get over their inhibitions about nudity' crowd.

Have you read the comments under that article, though?

The changing table and leaving the door part open?? Wtf!! Organisations have to be held to account for not ensuring (as far as possible ) the safety of their users.
All this acceptance without exception is enabling anyone and everyone to unleash their fetishes, it’s revolting. That poor woman imagine having to see that when you’ve got a child in tow, I would have been absolutely livid!!

I personally don't mind the changing village set up because it allows me to take my son swimming. At 7 he is too old to be wandering around the ladies but I wouldn't really want him in the men's alone.

But the ones I use are very strict about no nudity in the communal areas. And the showers are completely open, no cubicles, so I think that helps a lot in the sense that it is pretty clear that if you are showering by the side of the pool, open to all, no one could possibly pretend to be all naive and say that they thought nudity was fine.

However, having said all that, I 100% believe that it should be a legal requirement to also provide single sex changing. It's what I would use if I didn't have my son with me.

The cubicles go down to the floor and have bars over the top to stop anyone standing on the seat and looking over. Not sure what the answer is to having the bars used to balance a phone on, if the roof was made opaque every cubicle would have to have its own light.

Many years ago I used the pool at Nottingham University whilst visiting on business. It had rows of individual cubicles along corridors with floor to ceiling walls and doors and a translucent roof. It was a bit gloomy, but the roof panel let enough light in from the overhead lighting to get changed by. I felt safe changing there and there was no risk of anyone peeping.

I loathe the open gaps at to ankle height and open tops (with bench bars) in the mixed changing at our local pool. There have been numerous indecency and voyeurism offences reported in the local paper since it was built.

Link to the early morning programme. It's all worth a listen also the John Darvall phone in which was on after. As a result of us all speaking up the Leisure Centre says it will now open the single sex facilities during the day...so we have a result. Very disappointed that both the B&NES Cllr and Leisure centre denied there is an issue or have received any complaints. My interview is at 04.32, spliced throughout and live at 1.43.

Sorry link.. www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06vxwhf

My interview is at 04.32, spliced throughout and live at 1.43

You did a cracking job, @Vix. You covered all the bases - the right to separate facilities under the Equality Act, the fact that the onus ought not to be put on women to complain, the need for men to police their own behaviour, the poor design and layout requiring women and children to run the gauntlet of naked men, and so on.

Thank you. You, and Debz, did us a great service. We have to keep on challenging the people who blur our boundaries and threaten our safety and privacy. It is great to hear an articulate, clued-up, reasonable woman make a case that resonates with the public, too.

at 'there is no evidence' in the bbc report

Apart from the evidence of multiple eyewitnesses you mean?

On Jeremy Vine Radio 2 today about 12.30
twitter.com/vixfinn/status/1085104786792423424?s=21

Vixfinn
Here's a big thank you from a local! Great job!

Vixfinn you did indeed do a terrific job in that interview yesterday. It'll be interesting to hear today's Jeremy Vine piece.

Many thanks all. Didn't get the opportunity to say much on Vine today as it was mainly about nudity in general. Still, Debz has spoken to The Times and Bath Echo has written a piece. Hopefully it will alert councils up and down the country that closing single sex facilities by stealth won't go unchallenged by women.

Vix
There’s another thread
If that was you speaking on vine show. You were 💪💪💪💪💪

I'd prefer it so much if someone just said "we think that the customs and practices in the UK are so stuffy, there's nothing wrong with nudity and in lots of places it's common for men and women to change along side each other, and that is how it should be here. Lots of the public agree with us, so that is how we have set up the facilities here." Then we could at least have an honest conversation about nudity, dignity and prudishness.

Not "oh no, there are separate facilities and everything is hunkydory what's the problem?"

Just read on Twitter that another complaint is winging its way to Bath Council.

Passing through the communal area, she witnessed a man wee-ing with the door open. She was already feeling spooked by the layout. She didn't complain, but since hearing about the attitude of "what's the fuss? it never happens", has decided to speak up.