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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

West Yorkshire Police 'delighted' after trans hate crime reports triple in 24 months

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QuietContraryMary · 08/01/2019 02:13

www.capitalfm.com/yorkshire/radio/news/local/hate-crime-report-rise-in-leeds-is-a-good-thing/

"Police say the LGBT community in Leeds is reporting more hate crimes than ever and that's a good thing

Reports from the transgender community in particular have more than tripled here since 2016.

West Yorkshire Police Hate Crime Co-ordinator, Kev Brighton said: 'People are getting confident and we're dealing with it."

(he had to be called 'Brighton', didn't he.)

It goes on with the inevitable BS

"Rachel Smith started her transition in 2012.

People have lost their lives because of the incessant hate that they receive on a daily basis." (this literally never happens.)

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Thingybob · 08/01/2019 03:13

Be good to see those 'hate crimes' broken down into type. Is the increase due to reports of misgendering on Twitter?

Terfing · 08/01/2019 03:33

Fine.

Can the good police force kindly provide us with objective definitions of "male", "female", plus the 674 other genders? I don't want to mess up and be accused of transphobia, so clear understandable definitions would be appreciated.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 08/01/2019 06:41

Didnt they come bottom recently in actual police work? Ie bottom of league of police forces for investigating and prosecuting real crime - they ignored and didn’t follow up the highest percentage of reported crime - can’t recall details - just that they were bottom - so maybe counting and following up reports from T community is all they have achieved and takes the focus away from really serious failings in that police force

GerryblewuptheER · 08/01/2019 06:43

Where are the case reviews and the obits?

They would he dropping like flies if any of what these people said was true

Bittermints · 08/01/2019 08:01

Quite. One of the things that frustrates me most about the incessant bandying about of suicide/self-harm 'stats' is the refusal to accept that many of those involved have long-standing, complex mental health issues which put the young person at risk even without the gender issues.

Analogy:

Chris is diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes while still a young child. NHS staff work hard with Chris's family and with Chris to explain the condition, the importance of checking blood sugar levels regularly, taking insulin, diet, inter-relationship with other health issues, risks of diabetes itself etc etc. Chris hates it. Chris hates being different from everyone else and having other kids comment. Chris is a difficult patient from the start.

By adolescence Chris should be taking over responsibility for managing the condition but instead is increasingly ignoring it - head in the sand, 'if I don't test myself it will all go away'. Various health problems start to build up but Chris still refuses to accept any of it is because of the diabetes. Chris moves out of the family home and has less and less contact with family because it's so irritating to have them talk about diabetes all the time.

Chris goes online, 'meets' some ardent advocates of complementary medicine and becomes convinced that a minor skin rash is a sign of having chronic Lyme disease, which would also explain why Chris is feeling tired and ill all the time. The online friends are sure this is right and suggest long-term antibiotics. Chris's doctor tries without success to explain that Chronic Lyme Disease doesn't exist and long-term antibiotic therapy is not appropriate, but Chris knows better - doctors are all in the conspiracy to prevent sufferers getting the acknowledgement and treatment they need.

Shortly after this, Chris collapses, goes into a coma and dies. The cause of death established by the autopsy is untreated diabetes. However, Chris's online friends know better and mention Chris's case at every opportunity to bolster their case that Chronic Lyme Disease exists and is a serious condition.

Sound familiar at all?

I'm struck by these paragraphs in the Wikipedia article I linked to above:

A number of alternative health products are promoted for "chronic Lyme disease",[4] of which possibly the most controversial and harmful is long-term antibiotic therapy, particularly intravenous antibiotics.[5] Recognised authorities advise against long-term antibiotic treatment for Lyme disease, even where some symptoms persist post-treatment.[6][7][8] Following disciplinary proceedings by State medical licensing boards in the United States, a subculture of "Lyme literate" physicians has successfully lobbied for specific legal protections, exempting them from the standard of care and Infectious Diseases Society of America treatment guidelines. This "troubling" political interference in medical care[9][10] has been criticised as an example of "legislative alchemy", the process whereby pseudomedicine is legislated into practice.[11]

In 2001, The New York Times Magazine reported that Allen Steere, chief of immunology and rheumatology at Tufts Medical Center and a co-discoverer and leading expert on Lyme disease, had been harassed, stalked, and threatened by patients and patient advocacy groups angry at his refusal to substantiate their diagnoses of "chronic" Lyme disease and endorse long-term antibiotic therapy.[43] Because this intimidation included death threats, Steere was assigned security guards.[44]

We've seen similar over here in relation to ME/CFS researchers.

Horsewithnomane · 08/01/2019 09:05

Leeds has that so-called red light district, yeah?

I bet there's plenty of hate going on there.

GodThisIsBatShit · 08/01/2019 10:11

"West Yorkshire Police Hate Crime Co-ordinator"

I know it's peurile but this job title makes me snigger. Old Kev is busy co-ordinating all those hate crimes.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/01/2019 10:19

Without numbers thats pretty meaningless eg from 1 report to 4 is "more than tripled" and probably all reported by one person

Also,.since when has the number of reports made said anything useful at all about a police force. Surely we need stats on the outcome of reports?

theOtherPamAyres · 08/01/2019 10:26

The Parliamentary Committee on Transgender Equality recommended that the police:
crack down on transphobia and
introduce a new hate crime where there is hostility towards someone's gender identity.

In other words self I/D. In other words, the inclusion of blue-haired non-binary people and straight blokes with beards calling thmselves misgendered ladies. No wonder the number of reports have increased. (Notice that there are no actual numbers or analysis of the types of incidents).

The police need to be instructed to roll back self i/d and take another look at the definition of transphobia if they are to retain public confidence.

Popchyk · 08/01/2019 10:33

I wonder how many of those were from Susie Green of Mermaids. Which is in West Yorkshire.

I know she's talked of contacting police on many occasions.

Also Mermaids contacted police when a teacher "misgendered" a pupil.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5429219/Charity-calls-police-teacher-misgenders-pupil.html

WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit · 08/01/2019 10:38

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Popchyk · 08/01/2019 11:02

Two posters on here have been interviewed by West Yorkshire police.

At least.

And didn't Susie Green appeal the CPS's decision not to charge Posie? I wonder if anything ever came of that.

QuietContraryMary · 08/01/2019 11:37

I'm sure Haddock & Susie are responsible for a goodly proportion.

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not2daysanta · 08/01/2019 11:55

Why do you all care so much? It's difficult to view threads like this as anything other than transphobia.

What other goal could you possibly have? Sitting here spewing bile about every single mention of 'trans' in the media.

Could you not focus efforts on something positive? Rather than trying to marginalise another oppressed group.

If you switch "trans" with "migrants", you get a solid idea of how hateful you all sound in this thread.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 08/01/2019 11:56

Shouldn't they be horrified at the increase?

QuietContraryMary · 08/01/2019 11:59

"Why do you all care so much? It's difficult to view threads like this as anything other than transphobia. "

?

The reference is to WYP's persecution of people for tweeting, etc., which forum posters will be well aware of.

It has literally nothing to do with transphobia.

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not2daysanta · 08/01/2019 12:03

Oh, that makes sense then. This forum is not for general Womens_Rights; it's for Women's Rights to speak disparagingly about trans people and LGBT hate crimes.

Fighting oppression, with oppression.

Got it.

QuietContraryMary · 08/01/2019 12:04

not hate crimes 'hate incidents'. AKA 'not crimes at all'.

And yes, oppression of women trying to speak. It's central to feminism.

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Popchyk · 08/01/2019 12:19

There was only one actual charge of transgender hate crime in West Yorkshire in 2017.

And that seems likely to be part of a crime (like violence against the person for example). They don't say whether this person was convicted or not.

www.westyorkshire.police.uk/sites/default/files/foi/2018-03/foi_685-18_transgender_hate_crimes_march_2018.pdf

I wonder if WYP would ever reflect that a tripling of hate incidents might reflect rather poorly on them as a police force, rather than seeing it as a source of delight.

I can't imagine Cressida Dick of the Metropolitan Police crowing about how pleased she was that knife crime offences in London had tripled for example.

We live in interesting times.

hackmum · 08/01/2019 12:36

There was only one actual charge of transgender hate crime in West Yorkshire in 2017.

Interesting. So all the other reports are actually a waste of police time? Because they don't lead to a charge, let alone a conviction?

No wonder West Yorkshire Police don't have time to investigate burglaries and violent assaults if they're too busy chasing up reports of non-existent hate crimes.

nauticant · 08/01/2019 12:41

Being scolded as "transphobes" stopped working a long time ago not2daysanta. You'll need a much more effective slur if you want to shut us up.

HumberElla · 08/01/2019 12:45

Sorry where is the ‘spewing bile’ exactly? I must have missed that.

Sarahjconnor · 08/01/2019 12:59

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MoltenLasagne · 08/01/2019 13:34

I recently had to report a crime in West Yorkshire via 101. Before I could get through to menu to select the right option I was treated a pre-recorded message telling me that they are an LGBT friendly force and that I could talk to specific officers if I felt I needed to raise a hate crime.

I'm sure it's very reassuring for people to know that there is a supportive person they can talk to about such issues if needed, but the person who I spoke to about the crime against me didn't seem to give a crap. Got NFA'd within 2 days.