Woman's Hour today (Monday 7 Jan) on marriage after transition

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Was in the car and heard Jane Garvey say they were going to be discussing this today, with a firefighter who transitioned m to f and the effect on their marriage. Just got home and waiting for the discussion to start.

Coming up now!

*The breast cancer issue, that is.

I think the way they put these segments alongside each other is deliberate, don't you? There's quite a bit of subversion going on in WH, I think.

Soooo introspective, would love to hear Stephanie's family's POV.

What I find so utterly baffling is all the talk of 'transition' as if we're supposed to know what on earth that actually means. What did you transition FROM Stephanie and what did you transition INTO? (After all, a woman is anyone who says they're a woman, right?.... ).

Rebecca Root did a reading at one of the St Paul’s Cathedral Christmas services. My male colleagues were wondering why they hadn’t announced that one of the women in the programme had been replaced by a man (we couldn’t see the speakers sat off to the side). None of the women said anything.

I think the way they put these segments alongside each other is deliberate, don't you?

Absolutely agree HollowTalk

I'm an outlier here. I enjoyed the slot and found the account interesting.
I read a lot of IPA research which explores, in depth, the lived experiences of individuals in relation to specific phenomena.
I was interested to listen to the thoughts and feeling from the perspective of this individual and their take on what it was like for others. With regard to claims of me, me, me .....if they were asked to give an account of their lived experience, this is what I'd expect.
I hope tomorrow's account takes the same approach and provides a rich perspective of the phenomenon of having a spouse transition. I hope the spouse does report about 'me, me, me' too.

I wish that tomorrow's programme was the POV of Stephanie's wife. That would be far more interesting and revealing, I think.

Adrian Mole was deliciously unaware, tedious and self absorbed.

And made up for comedic purposes.

Also, the person reading it out is an ACTOR?

Fuck me.

Was she (preserving pronoun preferences) channelling her inner monotone?

I've never heard such a loooooooong section read out on WH. Agree, they are GC hiding in plain sight. Love it.

Just realised - was that an excerpt from a book? That people are meant to buy?

You didn't listen to the WH serial, before they changed it into a drama?

Juliet Stevenson was the star. Someone said that she could make the back of a cornflake packet compelling listening. She read Mme Bovary and it did sound lovely.

MsBeaujangles

It's not that it's about a person. If you are reading from an autobiography, it's got to be about the person.

It was the inherent poor me, part of it. Every other sentence was poor me, poor me. With this reader trying to inject melancholy and sadness into every word.

Rebecca Root starred in a BBC2 sitcom called 'Boy Meets Girl'.

According to Wikipedia: Christopher Stevens in The Daily Mail said that by the final episode, the show had "...given up all pretence at being a sitcom. It’s simply an instruction manual on what to say, think and feel about sex changes. The conversations between lovebirds Leo and Judy [ie Root] and their parents are excruciatingly twee. This episode centred on a father-and-son chat that was so cringeworthy, it could make a plank of wood curl up in embarrassment."

It was nevertheless recommissioned and there were two series.

Just to be clear, Rebecca Root is trans. Also from Wikipedia: The script [of 'Boy Meets Girl], by Elliott Kerrigan, was discovered through the Trans Comedy Award, a 2013 BBC talent search for scripts with positive portrayals of transgender characters

There is quite an art to reading passages in an engaging way. I expect Stephanie doing it would be a radio fail!

I watched that when I didn't know anything about trans issues. It was fun to start with but got dreary and unrealistic with contrived situations. It is a shame really because it could have been good. Since then, I have been bombarded with the BBC public information films on R4 and found out about the changes proposed to laws that have been creeping in unannounced, and I have learned and am much less sympathetic.

I hope the WH research team have found the Trans Widow thread on here

I would say that Stephanie knows that Stephanie's voice would be perceived as male by every one of the listeners and Stephanie wouldn't like that at all.

It was the inherent poor me, part of it. Every other sentence was poor me, poor me. With this reader trying to inject melancholy and sadness into every word.

And I found that interesting in itself. Her narrative was about unavoidability, lack of choice, no option etc. Leading to pity and pain.

I was interested to listen to the thoughts and feeling from the perspective of this individual

I'm not. It's Woman's Hour, FGS. I wouldn't expect them to impose a reading from a book by a serial adulterer complaining that his wife didn't understand him on their listeners. I'd expect them to centre the wife. I've no interest in listening to male poor me perspectives on the one bloody hour a day on BBC radio that is supposed to be for and about women.

I watched the first series of Boy Meets Girl and it wasn't as bad as all that. It was really rather quite sweet. Absolutely no mention of ladydick or male lesbians though, natch.

Well yes, it is woman's hour.

But also MsB it appears highly characteristic of the trans ideology that it is self-serving and self obsessive. Even on here, I can predict that many of the posts by people who say they are trans, will run to endless walls of text.

Often autobiographical detail that no one cares about. And centering themselves as a victim.

It's predictable. And when you point it out, it gets worse.

It was no surprise to me that details that only oneself, or possibly one's mother, would be interested in, is the basis for an entire book.

But that's after me seeing it countless times. So may not be everyone's reaction.

Lang
I took the article to be about transitioning in the context of a heterosexual marriage, so relevant to women in heterosexual marriages.

My enjoyment of this stems from my interest in the stories that people tell/ the narratives they form to make sense of their lives.

My enjoyment of this stems from my interest in the stories that people tell/ the narratives they form to make sense of their lives.

Even when that perspective is narc-based and fails to acknowledge even the existence of other people's feelings and lives, let alone harms caused to them?

Not for me, thanks.

The BBC is welcome to have a Trans Hour and put it on that.

Even on here, I can predict that many of the posts by people who say they are trans, will run to endless walls of text.

I remember you pointing this out Datun and thinking thank Christ it’s not just me noticing this! Lines and lines of waffle, word salad and me me me. Sometimes people post a long OP, but it’s usually necessary to cover everything and they also apologise for it being long. Because they’re female.