Dr H says most ‘trans’ kids don’t need intervention until quite late on if at all???

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Some interesting tweets from Dr Adrain (incidentally claiming, in the present tense, to work in family practice )

Apparently not following the mermaids party line at all.

Only one of ‘a wide range of kids’ he’s seen has needed to be referred for specialist assessment

It’s in response to this thread (though he’s quote-tweeted instead of replying)

mobile.twitter.com/giagia/status/1080845323294175234

Toning down his approach with half an eye on some sort of on-line gender GP type gig?

Transfolx are folx

if they’re over 16, you can do the referral. They probably might be seen once maybe by the Tavistock ‘cos they’ll go on to adult services, but whatever time that they’re waiting for the Tavistock, that will be cut off adult services ‘cos they’ll go straight over, so it’s always worth doing the referral

Surely Mermaids are talking tosh here? My son has been with CAMHS (he’s ASD and ADHD) since he was 11 has recently turned 18 and subsequently transferred to adult services. He has to join the same waiting list as everyone else and we have been warned that the wait is SEVEN YEARS. Child services have written to our GP to ask them to provide bridging care regarding meds.

Why would GIDS operate any differently?

Pants on fire, Adrian.

I have to admit to being confused.

We mention anything and immediately affirming the identity is a must and we all want them to die in a fire or something ( which obviously we don't. We wish happy healthy lives free of discrimination and for them to have access to supoort etc) but he gets to say there should be gate keeping and riglurous assessments to ensure no rash decisions are made and it's all some great idea

Why do they get to decide who's lying etc whilst telling us that we are denying identities if we don't comply..

There's been quite a few comments recently by TRAs which seem to be trying to counter comments about how gender non-conforming children are ending up on the transgender medical pathway.

A shift in narrative/focus seems to happen quite frequently with TRAs.

Miranda Yardley 2017 article: 'Common Threads And Narratives of Transgender Children And What This Means For Our Lesbian And Gay Populations'
(extracts)
"I have used public sources to examine the commonalities between the lives and experiences of children who claim a “transgender” identity. Historically, stories that made the media consisted mainly of adult males who announced to the world their new identity, however recently we are seeing more evidence of these young children and adolescents as well as females “transitioning” to male.

The commonality of these narratives is striking, within these seven stories mention is made of the following: a preference for pink (7/7), hair (6/7), princesses and dresses (5/7), ‘toys for girls’ (5/7).

Thus, the association of pink with girls is itself cultural; devoid of culture, pink has no meaning with respect to the preferences of children, or even adults, of either sex. Notably in the stories for young transgender females, many include a rejection of pink, dresses and princesses, the diametric opposite of the stories from transgender males. The most striking similarity in the stories from young transgender females is sexual orientation; in all five of these stories, the subject had previously identified themselves as being a gay woman, a lesbian. This is a recurring topic within feminist politics, it is perceived that the transitioning of young girls boys is, in the words of these feminists, a form of gay eugenics, this is taken from ‘How do you know if you’re “transphobic”, and what is to be done about it?‘ by R Gerlich:

Is it such a leap to suggest that for girls who are masculine (or boys who are feminine), such personality traits are being interpreted as an indicator that the child’s “gender identity” is not correspondent with the child’s sex? Is this not tantamount to suggesting that personality determines sex?

Just as cultural ideas of gender are not stable over time, neither does the gender non-conforming behaviour of children appear to be stable over time either." (continues)

mirandayardley.com/en/common-threads-and-narratives-of-transgender-children-and-what-this-means-for-our-lesbian-and-gay-populations/

Macareaux I suspect trans flox are the Glitterari

Harrop's comments are clearly designed to address public concerns about areas where the handling of "trans kids" is going badly wrong, but the thing is, why should anyone believe him, given his history?

I'm also curious when he began identifying as a GP working at a normal practice.

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3412316-Dr-Adrian-Harrop-thread-the-fourth-GMC-do-care-have-taken-it-to-the-next-level

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3354331-Dr-Adrian-Harrop-thread-the-third-yes-weve-edited-the-title

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3248676-dr-adrian-harrop-dr-misogyny-is-pursuing-another-woman

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3244781-dr-adrian-harrop-who-the-funk-does-he-think-he-is

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3399503-Adrian-Harrop-feeds-back-on-his-own-debate-on-Feedback

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3392510-Adrian-Harrop-also-chimes-in-on-Karen-White

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3408520-Cant-stop-laughing-at-Haddock

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3395484-to-be-appalled-that-an-NHS-doctor-is-joking-online-about-women-smelling-of-fish

Exactly R0

Just as cultural ideas of gender are not stable over time, neither does the gender non-conforming behaviour of children appear to be stable over time either." (continues)

200 years ago pink used to be a fashionable men's colour. From Wikipedia Westminster School "The school's colour is pink; Westminster rowers raced Eton College for the right to wear pink." Back in 1837.

Is the good doctor trying to moderate the tone of his SM posts by any chance? I hear he may be under some scrutiny.

I’m sure a quick scan of The frequency of his recent twitter contributions may shed some light on his current employment status.

Mean while over the several decades of family practice I identify as having, gender nonconforming behaviour is not a medical concern. Any parents who may have worries about their children liking toys and clothes associated with the gendered expectations of the opposite sex should be strongly encouraged to get a grip and stop being such sexist bigots, in my professional opinion.

US account of the blue-pink switch for babies and children:
'The History Of Pink For Girls, Blue For Boys'

by Margaret Hartmann

"Pastel baby clothes were introduced in the mid-19th century, but according to University of Maryland historian Jo B. Paoletti, author of Pink and Blue: Telling the Girls From the Boys in America, the colors weren't gender-specific at first. From Smithsonian.com:

Ladies' Home Journal article in June 1918 said, "The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl." Other sources said blue was flattering for blonds, pink for brunettes; or blue was for blue-eyed babies, pink for brown-eyed babies, according to Paoletti.

In 1927, Time magazine printed a chart showing sex-appropriate colors for girls and boys according to leading U.S. stores. In Boston, Filene's told parents to dress boys in pink. So did Best & Co. in New York City, Halle's in Cleveland and Marshall Field in Chicago.

In the 1940s manufacturers settled on pink for girls and blue for boys, so Baby Boomers were raised with wearing the two colors. But that wasn't the end of the story. Paoletti says that due to the women's liberation movement, more unisex baby clothes came into style in the late '60s and '70s. Yet pink and blue came back in the mid-'80s, with the development of prenatal testing. Once parents could find out whether they were having a boy or a girl, they could outfit their nursery in the "appropriate" color. Manufacturers pushed the fad too after realizing affluent parents would buy a whole new set of baby products once they found out Junior was expecting a little sister." (continues)
jezebel.com/5790638/the-history-of-pink-for-girls-blue-for-boys

I'm also curious when he began identifying as a GP working at a normal practice.

The Good Doctor Haddock is an arrogant misogynistic arsehole.

I wouldn't read anything into his recent comments other than his desire to pontificate "I know more than you, so back into your place you go little lady."

In the rare moments where he's not enraged with a woman he comes across as if he's patting us on the head.

In the rare moments where he's not enraged with a woman he comes across as if he's patting us on the head

Someone wise once observed how odd it is that even those who claim to be gender blind and don't assume how others identify are still able to tell which group of people to patronise

Think comments were to dismiss views of people like Gia Milinovich & Stella O’Malley who say they worry they would be encouraged to transition if they were young girls today. Gia has not taken this lying down: twitter.com/giagia/status/1081531516721774592?s=21

when I read his comments about gender conformity recently, I assumed it was in response to the GMC thing, a preemptive strike if you will. (To show that he can behave and tone down the extreme beliefs.)

I thought he was a hospital doctor?

Papayasareyum
Could well be part of it too
Drspouse
Maybe on a training programme?
Retirednotexpired

Well no actually. He is saying that a whole bunch of kids have been brought in by anxious parents because they don’t fit a stereotype and only one of them actually turned out to be possibly trans.

200 years ago pink used to be a fashionable men's colour

And today. In the slightly blokey affluent classes, pink shirts are a thing. Rugby playing City types. I bet Prince Harry has a few.

Lots of adult males wear pink.
Few boys do (can?)
In recently transcribed Mermaids Charity training for teachers, liking pink, sparkly things and wanting to have long hair means a male identifies with the 'Princess Barbie jellybaby' & the possibility 'he is a girl in a boy's body.'

from recent thread:
Imherefornow wrote:
"Here are the links to the transcripts thanks to a wonderful mumsnet collaboration. Share as you will

docs.google.com/document/d/1NDOMlo2aEpBl2ySfKdEWCb1H94tZciKiqUffjH1ku0Y/edit?usp=sharing

docs.google.com/document/d/1aeFV0T6j4PXvm1xZBS_50oSJYV-_gO8YMoFjKjNA_9Y/edit?usp=sharing

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3454658-recording-of-mermaids-training?pg=10

His LinkedIn profile says that he is a trainee GP and A&E locum

(And on the side bar where it says who people also searched for, Posie Parker is the first result )