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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dr H says most ‘trans’ kids don’t need intervention until quite late on if at all???

61 replies

GiantKitten · 05/01/2019 21:00

Some interesting tweets from Dr Adrain (incidentally claiming, in the present tense, to work in family practice Confused)

Apparently not following the mermaids party line at all.

Only one of ‘a wide range of kids’ he’s seen has needed to be referred for specialist assessment Hmm

It’s in response to this thread (though he’s quote-tweeted instead of replying)

mobile.twitter.com/giagia/status/1080845323294175234

Dr H says most ‘trans’ kids don’t need intervention until quite late on if at all???
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GiantKitten · 05/01/2019 21:01

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EJennings · 05/01/2019 21:03

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Melroses · 05/01/2019 21:04
Hmm
Coyoacan · 05/01/2019 21:08

"For example: I work as a doctor in family practice. I have seen a wide range of kids brought in by their parents who have been concerned about their gender non-conforming behaviour or character traits. Only one of them has ever needed to be referred for specialist assessment"

Assuming, but not granting, that he is telling the truth, then gender stereotyping has become a major issue in the uk and that is truly frightening. I mean he hasn't even been at this new job for more than a few months.

nauticant · 05/01/2019 21:13

It contains at least these two messages:

  1. It would be very difficult for a child who isn't transgender to be found to be so in a medical context. (cough, Diane Ehrensaft, cough)
  2. There is no social contagion, the occurrence of transgender children is extremely rare.

Looks Mermaids compatible to me.

Qcng · 05/01/2019 21:20

I know this is off topic but I was just wondering if anyone has asked the good Dr Harass if he'd have sex with a transman. Does anyone know?

I thought he was in favour of puberty blockers, to set a "pause button" so kids can decide later. He doesn't seem to have shifted on that pov. Only saying no rush to surgery. Just put them on blockers instead.

ScipioAfricanus · 05/01/2019 21:21

I agree with your interpretation, nauticant.

And I raise an eyebrow at all the children that have been brought in to him because their parents were concerned about their gender non-conforming traits (bigots!).

vaginafetishist · 05/01/2019 21:22

A wide range of kids brought to the Dr's for gender non conforming behaviour or traits.
Wut.
I'm in a foul mood tonight and this doesn't help.

vaginafetishist · 05/01/2019 21:23

Little Timmy isn't playing with the toys that match his sex role, let's take him to the Doctor.

vaginafetishist · 05/01/2019 21:25

If you were a Doctor, wouldn't that make you rage?

PencilsInSpace · 05/01/2019 21:28

Mermaids advice to teachers is to refer directly, bypassing CAMHS and GPs:

... so access to treatment is another problem. Now they will discuss referrals from health workers, social services, teachers, police officers, LGBT youth workers and mermaids, so if you were supporting a family, if the parents were on board, you could actually do the referral and bypass any of that. So if the young person has got really good mental and physical health, they just want help with their gender identity, then you can either download the form from the Tavistock website or from the Mermaids website and you can do the referral. If the Tavi feel as though more help is needed or they feel as if CAMHS have a place or any other agencies, then they will arrange that. And also we don’t have the right to say whether that child is trans or not, that has to be done by the experts, so the quicker that assessment can be done, the better. If it is something else, again, the Tavistock will refer on and the process will be slightly quicker.

If they’re under 16, you need parental consent; if they’re over 16, you can do the referral. They probably might be seen once maybe by the Tavistock ‘cos they’ll go on to adult services, but whatever time that they’re waiting for the Tavistock, that will be cut off adult services ‘cos they’ll go straight over, so it’s always worth doing the referral.

From the transcript here.

They recommend sending all children directly to the only specialist service in the country and then complain about waiting lists Hmm

NotBadConsidering · 05/01/2019 21:36

Always a challenge to find logic in the ramblings of someone deeply entrenched in an illogical ideology.

Melroses · 05/01/2019 21:38

If he is talking about sending only one child to GIDs, is he getting a bit close to getting specific, rather than talking in general terms re confidentiality?

ScipioAfricanus · 05/01/2019 21:43

Melroses, I can’t think of any other time he has behaved with anything except consummate professionalism.

Melroses · 05/01/2019 21:51

He has managed to pack a lot of experience into a short time as a family doctor to see such a wide range of kids so soon - wasn't he an A&E doctor a few months ago when he appeared on Victoria Derbyshire? It is hard to keep up with such a dynamic career.

Iused2BanOptimist · 05/01/2019 21:57

Melroses HmmGrin

AnyFucker · 05/01/2019 21:59

He has seen a "wide range" of non gender conforming children in general practice ? Enough to come to his statistically nuanced conclusions ?

Bollocks, he has

Iused2BanOptimist · 05/01/2019 22:14

I may have had a glass too many Wine
scrolling through twitter and up pops Dr H even though I don't follow him (I'm not mad ffs). I honestly can't make head it tail of it all, it's just such a load of crap. Children being carted off to the Dr because they don't
conform to whatever their parents think they should be conforming to.
Now they are having months or years of assessment - it sounds like a childhood prison sentence frankly.
"Children and young folks who present with gender identity issues will undergo months or years of assessment to reach that definitive diagnosis, and this would certainly be the case before undergoing any medical interventions or receiving hormonal treatment or surgery."

But then how can anyone make a diagnosis because it's all up to the individual.

"I believe that it is up to specific individuals to characterise and define their own gender identity, in their own terms and in their own time.

It isn’t anyone’s place to tell another person whether they are trans or not."

I'm just calling bollocks to the whole thing.

Honestly people just need to stop navel gazing , get out and find a hobby or something. Angry

WineWine

nauticant · 05/01/2019 22:29

Children being carted off to the Dr because they don't conform to whatever their parents think they should be conforming to.

You're assuming that this statement of his is truthful.

VickyEadie · 05/01/2019 22:33

I don't believe him.

vaginafetishist · 05/01/2019 22:34

Let's hope it isn't.

GerryblewuptheER · 05/01/2019 22:34

So watching and waiting and careful observation is ok then after all?

They will turn in him for that.

Although gender non conformity is a medical issue? Seriously?

Thank fuck I wasnt born now.

Thingybob · 05/01/2019 23:11

I think his point is that all those adults, who say they were GNC children and therefore likely to be placed on hormone blockers if they were born today, were never trans just Tomboys or effeminate males and the two things are quite distinct. It seems to be such an obvious distinction that a newly qualified, male GP can see it immediately and knows when it is, and when it is not, necessary to make a referal to the GI services. Sadly us dumb women, who may have spent 4 or 5 decades working with children, can't see that obvious distinction. Dr H. (if you are reading) I'm one such woman and I've read those nonsense explanations and the only thing that is obvious to me is that the authors know bugger all about kids.

SirVixofVixHall · 05/01/2019 23:19

Folks is the givaway word in all that tosh. It is used really oddly too, it sits strangely in the sentence.
Essentially he is saying “nothing to see here folks, move along now “.

GerryblewuptheER · 05/01/2019 23:25

So he's not a fan of the Stone wall definition of trans then?