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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans only gym class

28 replies

Nightwitch · 04/01/2019 23:25

Haven't actually got a problem with this. It seems to be a charity that provides a gym for people affected by mental health.

As a third space, I think it's a good idea and wish them luck.

Hope the link works.

www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2019/01/projekt-42-have-new-transgender-specific-fitness-classes/

This line though,

" I truly believe that exercise can be a powerful means of developing a more positive relationship with our bodies, which can be such a challenge for non-cis people."

Well, I agree. In fact a more positive self image is great for all people.

But should she be calling people non-cis?
Surely that's a bit counter productive? 😕

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HomeStar · 04/01/2019 23:41

But should she be calling people non-cis?

It's more inclusive of nonbinaries this way. Not all nonbinaries consider themselves trans, although we share many struggles with the trans population, in fact many enbies look, act and dress exactly like members of their sex assigned at birth only specialer, by the way have you seen my gender-nonconforming wedding dress, it is blue! I wrote an essay about it! It caused me a great deal of angst, but thankfully my tailor was very accepting when I came out to him as a person who would wear a blue wedding dress. I for one am very grateful that this trainer is making a special effort to be enby inclusive (continued page 94)

PositivelyPERF · 04/01/2019 23:43

HomeStar 🤣

BreconBeBuggered · 05/01/2019 00:06

I'm looking at a picture of my mother in a blue wedding dress! Did not know she was an enby (do we use the indefinite article?)

In all seriousness, I hope the trans gym class is a success for everyone who can benefit from it.

BetsyM00 · 05/01/2019 00:40

So why then do they have a Women and Femme yoga class?
www.projekt42.co.uk/projekt-42-timetable.pdf

ReaganSomerset · 05/01/2019 00:43

I've known blue, black and red wedding dresses and as far as I'm aware none of the brides considered themselves non-cis. Does it make you non-conformist? Or do you just like the colour blue?

Nightwitch · 05/01/2019 00:43

She may have hit on something though.

"My husband and I are c**.
Ian Huntley and Karen White are non-C**" "

Still wouldn't want to advertise a gym class for non-c** though!

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MarilynSlumroe · 05/01/2019 00:44

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Jenny17 · 05/01/2019 00:56

But should she be calling people non-cis?

No it's disrespectful to women. Women do not need to be relabelled.

Purpleartichoke · 05/01/2019 05:26

A class for people who have a lot in common? Fantastic. There should be more of that. Community can really help encourage people to exercise.

My wedding dress was blue. I’ll the most boring, suburban, definitely female person you could possibly imagine. I just found a dress I liked that fit my budget and it happened to be blue.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/01/2019 06:18

Sounds good.

I hope their women only classes are for female women only. Fair being fair and all!

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 05/01/2019 07:17

My wedding dress was red. But, then again, I'm a weirdo. [shrug]

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 05/01/2019 07:18

And, yes. Thirding the comment that if there are trans-only classes there should also be women-only classes.

HomeStar · 05/01/2019 07:22

PERF and others have you seen the original? It's really something.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jun/05/planning-my-wedding-as-a-non-binary-bride

Nonbinary people writing about being nonbinary are a great source of entertainment. I've read a few pieces in the genre, and that is a completely typical example.

eurochick · 05/01/2019 07:58

I'd love to know what they would make of a friend's leopard print wedding dress...

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 05/01/2019 08:37

The class itself is a great idea.

I don't think it will stop transwomen wanting into women-only classes though. But at least the gym is seen to be taking positive steps.

Deliriumoftheendless · 05/01/2019 08:49

I don’t have a problem with mixed classes but I couldn’t agree more about the value of exercise for all of a person’s health- mental and physical. Gym classes are a brilliant way to make friends and groups with common needs can be very supported. So a class only open to transgender people is a good idea I think. Just as women only classes are valuable. I suppose gyms will only offer specific classes if there’s a need though. I guess it’s about sensitively considering wveryone’s need. Which isn’t a theme in the trans debate at the moment.

I want appropriate changing facilities for all, which does mean a third space though.

QuietContraryMary · 05/01/2019 08:58

"RAINBOW LIFTERS TRANS-FEMININE"
"RAINBOW LIFTERS TRANS-MASCULINE"

ok that's fairly clear.

But what on earth is this?

"WOMEN & FEMME YOGA"

At 9:30am on a Monday. Realistically

(a) how many male-identifying males take part in yoga?
(b) on a Monday during office hours

And wtf does 'femme' mean?

There is 'power yoga' at 8pm, which I presume is more likely to attract men. If you wanted to offer a meaningful 'female' class, it would make more sense to make a female-only version of a 'male-gendered' class, say 'female boxfit' or whatever.

QuietContraryMary · 05/01/2019 08:59

Oh and £25/month for non-profit, hmm profit-making gyms charge the same?

andyoldlabour · 06/01/2019 00:45

Women and Men are such - please stop using the word "cis".
If the "other" ones wish to use theses terms let them - they are in the minority.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 06/01/2019 00:58

Non cis? So that’s just everyone then because cis is not a fucking thing! That’s like saying “can be a challenge for non-butter people” Hmm that’s everyone.

fartwhenyoustandup · 06/01/2019 02:20

Oh my god. You people need to chill the fuck out. What does it matter to you how people identify or what colour wedding dress they wear. You're ridiculous!

PositivelyPERF · 06/01/2019 02:29

Calm down fartwhenyoustandup. There’s a dear. You’re the one that seems to be getting a tad overwrought.

Nightwitch · 06/01/2019 02:35

Don't think anyone wants to be identified as non-cis.

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R0wantrees · 06/01/2019 06:19

And wtf does 'femme' mean?

Femme: An identity or presentation that leans towards femininity. Femme can be an adjective (he’s a femme boy), a verb (she feels better when she “femmes up”), or a noun (they’re a femme). Although commonly associated with feminine lesbian/queer women, it’s used by many to describe a distinct gender identity and/or expression, and does not necessarily imply that one also identifies as a woman or not. www.transstudent.org/definitions/

-it seems it can mean pretty much anything and to anyone..

'Five Queer People on What 'Femme' Means to Them'
(extract)
"Iam a queer cisgender woman, and my partner is AMAB (assigned male at birth), nonbinary, and trans femme. Although we both identify as “femme,” the word carries different meanings and implications for both of us. Since my partner came out as nonbinary, they’ve enjoyed wearing makeup, shaving, and purchasing women’s clothing and accessories—actions they find empowering, and which allow them to more fully embrace and express their gender. I, on the other hand, have a conflicted relationship with practices like shaving and wearing makeup. When I engage in them, am I acting out of my own desire? Or am I giving in to the immense pressure of beauty standards prescribed to women? It’s a question I grapple with deeply: Does it make me less queer, or less feminist, to be femme?

The term “femme” does not simply mean “feminine”; it is used in queer circles to designate queer femininity, in a way that’s often self-aware and subversive. It’s both a celebration and a refiguring of femininity. From the invisibility queer femmes can feel in some lesbian circles to the sharp vulnerability inherent in being a trans woman, no two femme-identified individuals share the same experience of what it means to be femme. I asked people across a range of gender identities to talk about how they relate to femme practices, and what being femme means to them.(continues)

www.vice.com/en_uk/article/d3x8m7/five-queer-people-on-what-femme-means-to-them

Juno Roche
www.dazeddigital.com/beauty/body/article/41609/1/juno-roche-trans-femme

Teen Vogue, 'How My Beard Affects My Gender Identity as a Trans Femme'
www.teenvogue.com/story/how-my-beard-affects-my-gender-identity-as-a-trans-femme

'My Existential Crisis as a Femme-Presenting Trans Man'
femsplain.com/my-existential-crisis-as-a-femme-presenting-trans-man-18093f62e11e Hmm

Katvonbatshit · 06/01/2019 08:53

Grin my wings were too heavy to fly, so I thought fuck it and grew a beard.