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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

James bond

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Facknats · 03/01/2019 22:35

So:

  • Dislaimer: This link is clearly click bait and I have no confidence it will go ahead in practice. However, poses a useful thought exercise.
  • Say a person, somewhere, has proposed a TIM James Bond.
  • Proposed TIM actor/ess (depending on your grounding) quotes "there’s no reason why there shouldn’t be a transgender Bond. We’ve seen too many men in hero-type roles and women playing second fiddle.”

There's a discrepancy in third wave discourse when Trans identifying men consistently disregard the validation of Trans identifying women, who by their own volition cannot be centred within feminism.

I think this goes overlooked within both rad feminist and trans rights circles when:

  • Philip Bunce scoops an award for top 100 women in business
  • Rachel McKinnon wins gold
  • Caitlyn Jenner becomes 'woman of the year
  • Our local women's officers are trans

And the hypothetical first trans bond automatically becomes TIM, when if ideology fits, a trans bond would naturally be TIF.

Can anyone in the name of balanced debate think of equivalent TIF's, who have assumed male privilege since transition (socially or otherwise). I've a string suspicion the bias within their own community keeps them from all accolades.

I'm aware I often disappear after making posts like these; sorry folks, demanding job is my weak excuse.

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OrdinaryGirl · 03/01/2019 22:40

Ummm, I don't think you can use those acronyms on here....

Facknats · 03/01/2019 22:43

Oops! Apologies 🤫

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GenderIsAPrison · 03/01/2019 22:47

Sorry. For me. James Bond is a male character...it is written and intended that way....no matter how much of a feminist I am or am not.

Vegilante · 03/01/2019 22:48

What link?

Facknats · 03/01/2019 22:50

Link here: www.smalljoys.tv/james-bond-transgender/

For mods: re-read rules after a polite prompt and cannot find how to edit..

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GenderIsAPrison · 03/01/2019 22:53

There are a number of teen trans boys youtubers. I think they claim to be more popular , especially with the girls, because they almost look Justin Bieberesque after transitioning.

Is that what you mean?

Facknats · 03/01/2019 23:01

In the context of accolade? Yes that would count. They don't seem to filter through the media however, not in the same way trans women do.

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WrathofRancidKlopp · 03/01/2019 23:43

Philip Bunce scoops an award for top 100 women in business etc

They seem to think their achievements represent women breaking new ground, when it clearly doesn't.

The glass ceiling prevents females getting ahead and disappears when a male is present.

Time will tell if trans men can outdo men in the boardroom, it is very likely there will be alpha males guarding the door.

Can't see that happening.

Vegilante · 04/01/2019 06:05

The whole "the next James Bond should be transgender" is just silly "fake news" stemming from a fluffy press interview with actor Dominic West, who is well known for saying idiotic, inflammatory things to reporters because interviews make him nervous & he gets a kick out of saying things in print he knows will piss off his wife.

R0wantrees · 04/01/2019 08:54

It was discussed on R4 and on thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3458545-R4-Broadcasting-House-discussion-about-sexist-portrayal-of-women-in-papers-with-reference-to-Hannah-Graf-possible-first-trans-woman-James-Bond

There is sexism within this in so far that Hannah Graf's husband Jake who is an actor was not proposed as the possible transgender James Bond.
James Bond is a male character created by Ian Flemming.

Dominic West worked with Jake Graf on another film set. He described meeting Jake's wife, thinking she was gorgeous and being impressed by her job in the army.
Hannah has been open about being male and transitioning successfully whilst in the army.
Jake has also been open about being female and his transition.
Both are often interviewed about being transgender and promoting trans rights. They are also patrons of Mermaids charity
When they married last year they gave access to the newspapers.

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