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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A realistic account of transitioning

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Sowhatifisaycunt · 01/01/2019 11:27

www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/im-still-man-says-transsexual-2375238?fbclid=IwAR3ehLFI-DLip7pNx8EDR9IbMTX9BAWf1ESMvFnsFV5kzoMJip3YrVOnSCI

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JellySlice · 04/01/2019 10:36

Despite our differences, we have each others' backs

Do they? Ask Leanne. Ask any regretters, desisters or detransitioners. Ask any who do not toe the TRA line - ask Miranda 'Truscum' Yardley.

LangCleg · 04/01/2019 11:53

I guess Leanne is now whatever the equivalent of a "suppressive person" is in Scientology, and that would be Whittle's excuse for ignoring a person who was reaching out for help.

Exactly this.

Needmoresleep · 04/01/2019 12:21

The testimony from Rene Jax, author of "Don't Get on the Plane: Why A Sex Change Will Ruin Your Life"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN0sT6bHjR8

is also powerful.

I remember reading a very sad account about an Australian who went on to regret a MtF transition and who suggests his/her dysphora was as a result of childhood trauma, and also an American FtM who whose later detransition was also attacked.

Plus obituaries of Julia Grant www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3468329-julia-grant-has-died seem to suggest major health problems, and an opposition to "transing" children.

It appears that:

  • people are discouraged from speaking up about the downsides of transition.
  • health problems happen
  • people regret

Anecdote is not research. We need research. Today's teenagers need to understand that transition is not all unicorns, mermaids and YouTube videos, but a massive decision with lifelong consequences.

In the meantime, many thanks to Leanne and others who have spoken up. I hope we can help ensure their voices are heard.

ProfessoressWoland · 04/01/2019 13:20

Each time I succeed in my efforts, I become more and more inspired to push further and further. It's incredibly emotional but at the same time I feel I'm stronger as a result. I'm determined to make a difference to the madness, however small.

Good for you, Leanne Flowers
Whittle seems to have very narrow-minded views on gender performance and has said some very sexist things, so I'm not surprised if he has similarly narrow views about what trans people are supposed to say and do. He had a tough upbringing by all accounts but comes across as a bit of a champagne activist.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3436955-Stephen-Whittle?pg=1&order=

Italiangreyhound · 04/01/2019 13:33

welshgendercrit

"Leanne actually passes very well, if the photos are anything to go by, yet has not found happiness or contentment."

Would agree Leanne does pass well. But I also think there Is s lot more at stake than passing. I know a lot of women who were desperate to marry and have children but did not. In my friends cases they are either Christians (and wanted to find a Christian man. They have remained single) or doentvyears eith the wrong person etc.

Others might be single because they just never met the right person, or they did and he, or she, died or ran off with someone else. Mumnset is full of women trapped in unsuitable partnerships with people.

I think there is s kind if fairytale ending we are sold and it's just not true for a lot of people.

Italiangreyhound · 04/01/2019 13:36

I so much hope the whole debate can regain balance. Society was so biased against trans people once but admitting when things go wrong don't send us back to some sort of 'dark ages'. Eith the internet now no community can hide the issues. It will all come out.

welshgendercrit · 04/01/2019 14:43

Need more sleep Thanks for posting the YouTube link to Rene Jax's talk. As you say powerful and extremely thought-provoking.

Italiangreyhound I agree completely that there are many reasons why people find it hard to find partners or relationships that last, but I felt the Leanne's story was important for pointing out that transition isn't the miracle-worker that it is too often sold as, something that comers across strongly too in the talk by Rene Jax.

Italiangreyhound · 04/01/2019 14:57

welshgendercrit I completely agree with you. I was not meaning to detract from what you said. Perhaps just wanting to say to Leanne that her situation (although different) is similar to a number of people I know/have known.

But you are yotskly right. People are sold a dream not a reality.

Italiangreyhound · 04/01/2019 14:58

yotskly so Wink

welshgendercrit · 04/01/2019 16:36

Grin Grin The joys of autocorrect Italiangreyhound

Vegilante · 04/01/2019 19:26

New book "Trans Life Survivors" about 30 people who have detransitioned:

thefederalist.com/2019/01/03/30-transgender-regretters-come-closet-new-book/

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