Nimco Ali: None of the black women Corbyn has promoted have got there via merit

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This came up in my notifications this morning. She is fearless! I thought I’d share here as it would be an good conversation to have with the intelligent women of FWR.

twitter.com/nimkoali/status/1078994397432332288?s=12

In the light of people finally smelling the coffee & seeing that the left is full of racist and sexist melts I am just going to say it: None of the black women Corbyn has promoted have got there via merit. They have all been used as tokens and are not qualified for the roles.

This is intentional as people like Corbyn cannot deal with successful minorities especially if they are women. But they also don’t want their deep held racism to show so they cherry pick people who will take the roles given to them, say what they are told and who are dispensable.

Poor Kate Osamor is finding this out after years in the Party and on the left. I say poor Kate because it’s sad to see how blind she and many are, but she is not a victim and needs to give the whole they let me down a break. She knew what she was doing. She knew and benefited.

My initial reaction was shock and admiration for someone saying this ‘out loud’, but my gut response is agreement. Although it is a very sweeping statement.

The left has failed the people it claims to represent the most.

Corbyn does it daily because of his dogma and because he pursues popularism.

Ideology over pragmatism and realism does that.

I would be very surprised if JC knew much about any MPs outside his immediate circle. He never seems to show much interest in policy details and seems too fragile and uninformed to engage with people who disagree with him.

Isn't the issue more that Corbyn has only picked from the very limited pool of true believers available to him? Neither Diane Abbott nor Richard Burgon would have got anywhere near the Shadow front bench in more normal times.

(I also note that Martha Osamor was ennobled shortly after her daughter resigned. I wonder if that was in exchange for Kate going quietly?)

I would be very surprised if JC knew much about any MPs outside his immediate circle.

No he doesn't.

There was a story about how Labour HQ feed him specially tailored adverts on FB at the GE because he wanted to push an angle that another faction of the party didn't.

It could be a fake story, but you have the story this week of how Corbyn has held up a homeless vet as an example. And of course whilst there should be no one at all who is homeless, this particular guy had a criminal past which isn't particularly voter friendly shall we say. The due diligence in checking before using this guy as a poster boy has rather backfired and there is this continuing sense that Corbyn has to be managed indirectly because he's a liability precisely because he doesn't look further than his nose.

There are numerous other examples.

It's hard to get away from the idea that Corbyn never progressed past a naive student activist.

The level of responsibility and credibility isnt where it should be.

It’s a broader issue, the problem is not black women per se. In the Blair years we had his mates being parachuted into safe seats in the north at the expense of long-standing well respected MPs. All women shortlists.

I’m not sorry to see the Kinnocks the Millibands etc sidelined. Bloody Blair, Mandelson etc etc.

The issue for me is that the Labour Party is being returned to its members and thank goodness for that. It will take time to get rid of the nepotism and free seats for people of quality.

Meanwhile we still have the MSM pouncing on every minor upset to discredit hardworking men and women trying their hardest to serve in a fractured party.

I agree with almost every previous poster on here - it’s a ‘small pool’ problem rather than a Corbyn-is-racist one. Singling out the black women for criticism is the racist part.

Similar small-pool problems exist everywhere in U.K. politics (possibly everywhere worldwide!)

Diane Abbot does make some perculiar media gaffs, but a) her backstory/CV is incredibly impressive considering the times she was at Uni etc and b) she did previously hold a shadow ministerial position (under Ed Miliband), albeit a more minor one.

I'm not going to disagree with anyone about the limited talent pool in front bench politics at the moment.

What irritated me was Nimco Ali holding herself up as a talented black woman, while pointing at other black women - holding positions she failed to get - and stating that every single one of them got there due to their skin colour only and tokenism.

We've all met that sort of handmaiden.

And today she's tweeting inspirational pictures of a multicultural and multiethnic group of women with the caption "support all the women"

Both front benches are the epitome of mediocrity. As others have said because no one wants to serve under May or Corbyn. What worries me is the assumption that one of them will take over from Corbyn when he goes.

I think we need a complete overhaul of our democratic system. We need bigger salaries for MPs to encourage in applications, alongside a ban on second jobs and directorships which can lead to conflict of interests. The only time you can work outside your job should be in order to maintain professional registration - as a doctor or nurse for example.

We also need to move to a PR system. It's ridiculous that a party can be in power when the majority of voters didn't vote for it, and that people in safe seats have a vote that rarely counts.

If we had PR we would probably see a split in both main parties and at the same time an increase in votes for parties like the greens. Politicians would have to work together and stop all the yah boo nonsense they indulge in in the chamber.

If we stayed with first past the post then I think the leadership contest of each party should be open to any voter. It's not very democratic that a small number of people get to pick our prime minister. If TM had been voted down a few weeks ago we could have ended up with a PM barely anyone had voted for. And i know we vote for a party not a PM, but the PM sets the policy direction of the government and therefore the country.

It's hard to get away from the idea that Corbyn never progressed past a naive student activist

It is impossible, not hard.

The issue for me is that the Labour Party is being returned to its members and thank goodness for that. It will take time to get rid of the nepotism and free seats for people of quality

That doesn't address the issue that the members are now far to the left of the public. Packing seats with hard left Momentum members isn't going to win elections.

Corbyn never progressed past a naive student activist

That would have involved his being a student activist.

Following getting 2 Es at A Level, he was kicked out of North London Poly at the end of the first year. Given he's fond of complaining about selective education (other than for his sons) and private education (other than for his friends' sons) it's worth pointing out that his private, selective education resulted in 2 Es and failing the first year.

Corbyn began a course inTrade Union Studies atNorth London Polytechnic but left after a year without a degree after a series of arguments with his tutors over the curriculum

This is hilarious.

It's almost as thought the problem is less the token promotion of black women, and more the promotion of white men of limited ability who benefit hugely from their privileged background.

Merrymouse absolutely, the problem here is JC, and to a lesser extent Nimco Ali. I think she does necessary work campaigning on FGM but her cheerleading for mediocre white men in the Conservative party is nauseating at times and she could just as easily pick a group of white men that have been overpromoted to highlight but she won't.

Boris Johnson is surely a textbook definition of over promoted. Among many others....

Were Butler, Osamar and Onasanya chosen from all women short lists? If they were all 3 are an argument for scrapping AWS.

Were Butler, Osamar and Onasanya chosen from all women short lists

Butler definitely wasn’t (she’d been on a different AWS and was unsuccessful - I think she perhaps lost out to Meg Hillier? Memory is hazy!) and I don’t think Osamor or Onansanya were AWS either but cursory wiki search does not say either way.

Were Butler, Osamar and Onasanya chosen from all women short lists

I don't think Osamar and Onasanya, and also the tosser in Sheffield, were shortlisted at all, were they? Weren't they just imposed on the CLPs at short notice for the last election, as they were constituencies which didn't have a candidate? Isn't the lack of scrutiny beyond a few mates in London the issue?

The tosser in Sheffield being Jared O' Mara, who like Onasanya, thinks he was the victim.

O'Mara: He was selected in an emergency selection process for the snap election under the control of the National Executive Committee and regional boards, rather than by the local constituency party

He believes that he is the first autistic MP in history. The trick with MPs is finding the ones who aren't on the spectrum, surely?

Is it the NEC or Labour HQ where there are more oxbridge / private school types than there are at the flipping BBC. I forget

Ehhh... this seems racist and sexist. Same sorts of things have been said about women forever by misogynists: "her work is kinda crap but men wanted to fuck her so they promoted her". I don't see how "her work is kinda crap but he wanted to score woke points so he promoted her" is all that much different.

It's all the same women are generally shit at work and should stay out of the public sphere, just spun in a different way to attack a different category of men. Interesting how the right and the left both criticize each other using misogyny as their bludgeon of choice isn't it?

Not RTFT but couldn't let this pass

"Apparently she’d been to Malta recently and it was “really chill.”
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Isn't abortion illegal under any circs in Malta?

Fucking wow at that statement. Yeah WAY chill

"The de jure legal status of abortion in Malta holds that the practice is illegal. Malta is the only country in the European Union to prohibit abortion entirely.[1] However, abortions are de facto allowed to save the mother's life.[1]

The Criminal Code states:[2]

"(1) Whosoever, by any food, drink, medicine, or by violence, or by any other means whatsoever, shall cause the miscarriage of any woman with child, whether the woman be consenting or not, shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term from 18 months to three years"; and

"(2) The same punishment shall be awarded against any woman who shall procure her own miscarriage, or who shall have consented to the use of the means by which the miscarriage is procured."

In 2005 Tonio Borg, a Maltese politician, sought to amend the constitution to completely ban abortion.[3]

It is estimated that anywhere between 300 to 400 Maltese women travel abroad to have abortions each year, mostly to the UK (about 60 per year) and Italy, with Germany, the Netherlands, and Belgium being some of the other destinations as well.[4] This estimate means that Maltese women have abortions about as often as the EU average, despite Malta being the only EU country which bans the procedure (the rate for Malta is between 3.6 and 4.7 per thousand women; the EU average is 4.4).[4]"

Yes WAY CHILL dawn WTAF

From the Dawn Butler speech quoted in The Independent.

When I hear talk about re-introducing another form of section 28 for the trans community, I think – you’ve got to be kidding,” she said

“All of that pain that a whole community went through, you want to put another community through that pain? Why the hell would you do that? It’s outrageous.

“So we have to stand up and fight against that, and campaign against that and make sure it never happens,” she said

Where is she hearing this? No one is making such claims.

At the risk of being a hypocrite, as I was vociferous in condemning Corbyn for calling Theresa May a stupid woman, I have to say the idea of Dawn Butler being in charge of anything important is scary- she is monumentally thick.