Effects of taking testosterone on ftm

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"A lengthy thread on a hitherto little known medical consequence of young women being prescribed testosterone, namely severe long-lasting pain during and after orgasm that can apparently only be alleviated by a hysterectomy."

It's really time that all these side effects were brought out into the open and discussed with young girls before they make such a huge decision to throw away their fertility in this way.

Hey, they could just keep their uterus and just never have an orgasm ever again.

Not like the orgasms anyone without a penis could have are of interest to anyone, anyway.

After all, kids are transed before puberty so they never learn what an orgasm feels like, and that's considered perfectly okay, too.

This is just horrifying. Those poor xx.

Girls need to know about this before they get anywhere need testosterone.
In fact this needs to be widely known so girls who might consider going down the transition route know what is ahead.

What worries me is how young some of the people responding to this are. What is their life going to be like if they have to have a hysterectomy really young? Are there implications for bone density?

No-one knows what the long-term effects of cross-sex hormones are. I worry that there will be a whole raft of unpleasant symptoms further down the line.

yes that's mentioned in a couple of those tweets actually people saying that they have no idea what health will be in 50 years down the line having injected testosterone into a female body for 50 years.

I know there's a detransitioned male on Twitter who I used to see posting a lot who basically had to come off the female hormones for health reasons and pretty much instantly found himself wondering what on earth he had been doing.

I listened to a good chunk of Aydian's video before (tbh) I found it upsetting to listen to more. I'm glad that Aydian and Buck Angel are now talking about extreme cramping on and after orgasm due to Testosterone use, and the only treatment offered is a hysterectomy as the womb (apparently) atrophies after Testosterone.

I know women's reproductive health issues are given low priority, and it sounds like female born transmen are no different in that.

Just looked for him on Twitter and it would appear that he has been banned but found this little bit about him:

“Angus is in his late 50s now, but back in his 40thyear of life, his arrogance and folly led him to think it was fine to transgress, wear the dress, and pretend to be a “woman.” He did this for 13 long years, taking the synthetic estrogen drug every day, self-absorbed and entirely content. He was so convinced that he would carry on as a fake “lady” until the day he died, he decided to have some surgery. Not the more drastic option, it’s true, but most men would do anything to avoid the one he got. Quite unexpectedly one morning Angus snapped out of his transfugue trance state and felt compelled to examine his life. He rapidly ceased his masquerading and mimicry and re-engaged with material reality. He has the blog atautogynephiliatruth.wordpress.combut hasn’t put anything up there for a while. Angus can sometimes be observed causing trouble on Twitter @iforgetalready.”

These are major surgeries. Having a double mastectomy is a big deal as anyone who has had one or known someone who has had one for breast cancer will know.
Having a full hysterectomy will send you into menopause. Both main types - leaving the ovaries intact or not will have significant effects in the body - there’s a much bigger risk of pelvic floor issues, prolapse, fistula etc.

Cross sex hormones have significant effects on the body and none of these are positive.

We dont know what the effects of 40+ years of this will be. I doubt it will be anything other than unpleasant and painful for thebpatients concerned.

The body is a system. It works as a whole. It is not a plug and play arrangement where you can take bits out or add bits on and all is OK. Sex hormones have system side effects, removing an organ affects the entire body. This view of the body as a collection of bits rather than a whole I find quite disturbing.

No-one knows what the long-term effects of cross-sex hormones are. I worry that there will be a whole raft of unpleasant symptoms further down the line.

I think we have some idea of the long-term effects of short-term testosterone on the female body, thanks to the countries that doped their female athletes with it.
Might be that no one bothered gathering the data, but I am sure those women can tell some tales.

We also know from disorders that cause the female body to produce too much testosterone what the effects of long-term low dose excess testosterone are.

All in all, we certainly know enough to be able to tell that testosterone isn't good for women.

The jury may still be out on estrogen for men, (men with beer breasts seem to do just fine, apart from the breasts) but we could have known thirty years ago that testosterone isn't good for women.

Ah, the beauty of being a guinea pig. But good that they talk about it, I hope gender clinics and medical professionals will pick this up and inform prospective T-consumers accordingly.
Though I doubt it will make a difference to most transitioners, who from what I gather are generally in ,you do what you have to do‘ and ,who wants to live into their 40‘s anyway‘ mode.
(Not that I was much different up to my early 20‘s).

Deepwatersolo that is absolutely true actually. It's only when they get to their 40s that they're gonna start panicking and regret what they've done to themselves. It's then all the dodgy things you did in your youth come back to haunt you healthwise.

Also I'm guessing they will be fairly lonely by then as a lot of them won't have been able to have families.

Though I doubt it will make a difference to most transitioners, who from what I gather are generally in ,you do what you have to do‘ and ,who wants to live into their 40‘s anyway‘ mode.

Likely. They do seem to hate older women.

I, personally, admired my grandmother, thought she was much cooler than my parents, and set myself the goal of living to 120 and setting a record.

Which is not a likely mindset for a trans identified person, I admit.

It's so sad to think of all these young people going through menopause so early, and unable to use hrt to alleviate some of the awful symptom that brings.

And TW taking hrt for years on end when women are only allowed it fir a few years due to health risks. If it's not safe for biological females how can it be safe for them?

How have we come to this frightening medical nightmare? Powerful drugs handed out like smarties with little concern about the longer term consequences. It's just heartbreaking.

I share your concerns on this, OP, but am slightly taken aback that, as a poster on a feminism board, you are suggesting that not having one's own biological children = probable loneliness.

This is well known & long recognised:

NHS
"Anabolic steroids are prescription-only medicines that are sometimes taken without medical advice to increase muscle mass and improve athletic performance.

If used in this way, they can cause serious side effects and addiction.

Anabolic steroids are manufactured drugs that mimic the effects of the male hormone testosterone

Side effects of anabolic steroids
Regularly taking anabolic steroids can lead to physical and psychological changes in both men and women, as well as potentially dangerous medical conditions.

Why people misuse anabolic steroids
Anabolic steroids can be used as performance-enhancing drugs that increase muscle mass and decrease fat, as well as causing many undesirable effects. Some athletes, weightlifters and bodybuilders take them regularly to improve their physical performance and build up their bodies.

However, people of all ages have been known to misuse these drugs, including adolescent boys who suffer from body dysmorphic disorder. This is a mental health condition where a person spends a lot of time worrying about flaws in their appearance. These flaws are often unnoticeable to others.

Boys and men who have body dysmorphic disorder may take anabolic steroids because they don't see themselves as being physically big enough or strong enough.

Some people believe taking anabolic steroids will help them become fit and healthy. This isn't true: taking anabolic steroids is a dangerous drug habit.

Physical effects
In women, anabolic steroids can cause:

facial hair growth and body hair
loss of breasts
swelling of the clitoris
a deepened voice
an increased sex drive
problems with periods
hair loss
severe acne
In addition, both men and women who take anabolic steroids can develop any of the following medical conditions:

heart attack or stroke
liver or kidney problems or failure
high blood pressure (hypertension)
blood clots
fluid retention
high cholesterol

Psychological effects
Misusing anabolic steroids can also cause the following psychological or emotional effects:

aggressive behaviour
mood swings
paranoia
manic behaviour
hallucinations and delusions
Stunted growth in adolescents
Anabolic steroids accelerate bone growth, so if they're misused by adolescents who haven't yet had the growth spurt associated with puberty, the drugs can cause premature ageing of the bones and restricted growth.

Addiction
Like many other substances, anabolic steroids are addictive. This means you can crave the drug, require more to get the same effect, and have withdrawal symptoms if you suddenly stop taking them.

A person who is addicted to anabolic steroids will want to keep using them despite experiencing unpleasant physical side effects.

When doctors prescribe steroid medication, they always advise coming off the medication slowly by gradually reducing the dose. Coming off anabolic steroids suddenly can result in withdrawal symptoms that include:

depression and apathy
feelings of anxiety
difficulty concentrating
insomnia
anorexia
decreased sex drive
extreme tiredness (fatigue)
headaches
muscle and joint pain"

www.nhs.uk/conditions/anabolic-steroid-misuse/

Is it really "unfeminist" to hold the opinion that people of either sex may be lonelier when they're older if they don't have children?

Personally, I'd rather people be able to say what they think on this board, rather than self-censor or feel they constantly have to watch their words. Even if something is said that is objectively untrue, it can provide an opportunity for discussion and reflection that can be valuable.

Is it really "unfeminist" to hold the opinion that people of either sex may be lonelier when they're older if they don't have children?

Personally, I'd rather people be able to say what they think on this board, rather than self-censor or feel they constantly have to watch their words. Even if something is said that is objectively untrue, it can provide an opportunity for discussion and reflection that can be valuable.

I've just given this a bit of thought - I'm 60 and my female partner (62) and I don't have children. For both of us this was through choice.

I don't think that suggesting people without children might be lonelier in older age than those who have them is necessarily untrue (though, of course, some people who do have children do not have those children near to them - a good friend in her 70s has a son who has lived in Oz for 20 years), nor is it unfeminist to suggest it.

And I don't want people to feel they have to self-censor such things because it might hurt the feelz of people like me. It's not something we've never thought of!

Apologies if I'd offended. It came from reading the story of the trans woman in the Daily Mail the other day who mentioned how lonely they were as they hadn't had a family. I didn't think of it as feminist or other TBH.

Personally, I'd rather people be able to say what they think on this board, rather than self-censor or feel they constantly have to watch their words.

I agree.

I don't think people should have children to avoid loneliness in old age, it is not fair to the children. There's a lot more to raising children than just not wanting to be lonely.

It is true that transpeople are likely to be isolated in old age ... but that's also because the fanatism that nowadays seem to go with it will likely alienate friends and siblings.

Likewise, "loneliness in old age" is not the only reason why infertility is so devastating to those that suffer from it.
Young couples who want children aren't likely to be thinking of their old age.

How have we come to this frightening medical nightmare? Powerful drugs handed out like smarties with little concern about the longer term consequences. It's just heartbreaking.

This. There have always and will always be people who are extremely vulnerable and who will be susceptible to being turned down certain paths - cults, extreme political groups, extreme religious groupings, etc.

But the state, the professional apparatus and structures should be professional. The should be conservative (small c) they should be wary and careful and act as a normalising force, and curtail the excesses. Medicine in particular should be evidence based and do no harm.

For the state bodies and apparatuses like the police, NHS, government etc to buy into this - it’s really worrying. It’s a dereliction of duty, a gross betrayal of young, vulnerable people of whom many seem to have additional needs or vulnerabilities like autism, or feeling vulnerable about coming out. I’m finding g that the really scary bit.

Where are the adults?

It is a dereliction of duty Bowl. When will people wake up to the horror show of it?

I’m struck by something another poster said about this a while back; that there are some very vulnerable young people, the led, and the leaders.

The state has a duty of care to prevent (as far as it can) people who mean harm leading the vulnerable. The state is not only failing, it’s complicit. That is horrifying.

I have nothing but sympathy for young people questioning their identity, struggling with Their bodies and feeling alienated. I have nothing but sympathy for those with genuine gender dysphoria. At the same time, I believe there are some bad actors here who do not have the welfare of either of those groups as a target. Too many people with dubious motives are having influence in high places and getting laws and standards changed. And the state is rolling over, it’s not asking the tough questions and it’s not doing it’s due diligence

I want to know why

So do I, Bowl. This consensus that is sold to us by media, politicians, health care professionals, ngos, based on no evidence... why? And in German speaking countries they move in similar directions, but using distinct rationalizations (there the unisex bathroom and ‚self ID‘ issue is mostly played via the intersex angle. Including the byline that - I kid you not - not all intersex conditions can currently be diagnosed. So best go by the individual‘s feeling.)

Tailored to the cultural and linguistic mores of each country...

This is a top down movement.