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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Effects of taking testosterone on ftm

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ChristmasWrappingTheWaitresses · 14/12/2018 21:05

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"A lengthy thread on a hitherto little known medical consequence of young women being prescribed testosterone, namely severe long-lasting pain during and after orgasm that can apparently only be alleviated by a hysterectomy."

It's really time that all these side effects were brought out into the open and discussed with young girls before they make such a huge decision to throw away their fertility in this way.

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deepwatersolo · 15/12/2018 21:06

But why?!? Just to satisfy the Jenny Pritzkers of this world?

Bowlofbabelfish · 15/12/2018 21:30

Yes, maybe. If you have an ego the size of a planet and a budget to match, and an all consuming desire to validate and normalise your actions, what’s stopping you? Men have conquered half the planet with fewer resources and a thousandth of the technology

I doubt there’s a single driver to this. Or if there is it’s attracted a lot of other players who see they can benefit from it.

Don’t underestimate how a few monstrous egos can create huge change.

R0wantrees · 15/12/2018 21:36

November 2018 Janice Turner, The Times:
Children sacrificed to appease trans lobby

From Topshop’s cave-in on changing rooms to the SNP’s guidance for schools, there is a mindless rush to appear right-on
(extract)
Topshop hasn’t built solid, separate unisex boxes as in, say, Urban Outfitters. They are just permitting men — any man — to walk into a flimsily curtained space where giggling teenage girls check out a friend’s new dress in their bras. Topshop’s female customers were baffled. Why sacrifice our privacy and safety? (When the US company Target adopted this policy, predatory men exploited it to snap photos under cubicles.) Why not create a discrete space for the few “non-binary” people like Travis to change?

Fair question. But the current trans movement is doctrinaire, uncompromising. Led by mainly older trans-women — ie born men — it won’t acknowledge women’s rights or feelings. It fights for two principles. First, “self-definition”: a person is the gender they “feel” inside, so a trans-woman “is” a woman even without physical change or while retaining male genitalia. Second, “affirmation”: everyone must acknowledge this inner gender identity. Hence the right to waltz into women’s private spaces is sacrosanct.

For months, researching the rise in referrals to gender clinics of teenage girls, I’ve been shocked at how the trans lobby, abetted by a cowed LGBT movement and deluded politicians, are prepared to sacrifice the wellbeing of children to attain those two goals. (continues)

This craze to expedite gender transition in children goes against all clinical advice for “watchful waiting”. The young brain evolves, children change their minds, puberty is troubling for many reasons. Yet the Scottish guidance allows no one to dispute a child’s view, maybe acquired on Reddit and Tumblr, that he or she is in “the wrong body”. Or to suggest that a child may simply be gay. The apparatus of medical transition, a hormone regime causing sterility, plus surgical removal of healthy tissue, is seen as wholly positive. PE teachers must tolerate girls using binders to strap down their hated breasts “which can lead to shortness of breath and can be painful during physical exertion” because they have “a positive impact on a young person’s mental health”.

We are being ordered to endorse a practice reminiscent of Chinese foot-binding or the Victorian tight-lacing craze where girls fainted to achieve the tiniest waist. Should we also hand out fresh razor blades so self-harm wounds don’t go septic? Or “affirm” anorexics’ delusions that they are fat?

In my research I heard from teachers, doctors, parents and trans-folk aghast at children being pushed towards drastic treatment before they can possibly understand how it will affect their future relationships and lives. None would speak out publicly: like Topshop, they feared being labelled transphobic.

Because how quickly we transition kids is the new measure of an enlightened society. Announcing proposals to let 12-year-olds change their legal gender, the SNP equalities secretary Angela Constance boasted that “Scotland rightly has a reputation as one of the most progressive countries in relation to LGBTI rights.” This proves the SNP is more right-on than even Corbyn Labour. Meanwhile the Tories, in a cynical pursuit of youth votes, push for legislative changes they don’t even grasp. “Being trans is not an illness,” said Theresa May recently, “and it should not be treated as such.” So why does it require surgery, drugs and lifelong patienthood?" (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/children-sacrificed-to-appease-trans-lobby-bq0m2mm95?shareToken=c7e354b669098f83725c569ac56040b0

deepwatersolo · 15/12/2018 21:54

I mean, an argument can be made Bowl that courtesy neoliberalism the public and its representatives are so strapped for cash, do weakened, so dependent on ‚the private sector‘ (the potent part of which amounts to a tiny network of individuals, network analyses suggest), that such top down politics can easily be bought.

Depending on my mood I am oscillating between this rationalization and some Uber-conspirational social engineering enigma that I can never quite grasp but that would sure make for a good movie - if I could ever make it concrete enough for a plot.

deepwatersolo · 15/12/2018 22:11

R0wan to be fair, harming children‘s bodily autonomy for no good reason isn‘t a first in the modern West. Routine Male cirumcision has no scientific justification whatsoever, and yet, it is done regularly (and mostly without any religious rationalization, which I can wrap my head around on some level, even if I disagree). And why? It really looks like all there is to it is the money clinics can make selling Babies‘ foreskins and some strong pro-circ lobbyists like that one Australian doc, who apparently has a foreskin fetish (yes really. He was found being a member of such a site).

So maybe, it should not surprise us how easily children are sacrificed for the TRA-agenda.

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 16/12/2018 02:24

This youtube video has been in my head all day. It's nothing new, I've been aware of this for some time now. But since watching the video my head has been spinning with worry and anger.

My menopause started relatively early, all over by 47. I found the changes to my body and the emotional roller coaster due to hormonal fluctuations very hard to deal with. I found that some hrt prescriptions gave me permanent migraine and anxiety, some made me horribly depressed. Eventually I found the right balance. It took 2 years to even find something that helped. But I was a mature woman with a lot of life experience and wisdom accrued so I just about got through it. Had I had to go through it in my 20's or 30's I don't think I would have had the resources to get through it.

That some young people are now being told it's something they have to deal with as a matter of fact, and that they are accepting this as a necessary part of taking cross hormones and is simply a minor issue makes me very angry and upset.

This is not like having your TB jab or your HPV vaccination. This is going to have a huge impact on you.

I know all this has been said a thousand times on here but now and again it punches me in the head and stomach that this is happening.

CamillasTampon · 16/12/2018 03:26

I had no idea this was a side-effect until I saw Posie's latest video the other day.

What is interesting to me is that in Tasmania, one of the arguments being put forward for pushing through self-ID is that it will take away the need for women to have hysterectomies before they can legally transition (I have been told that these days most medical practitioners will sign off on documents after any form of clinical intervention but still, this is the party line here). What I find sad is that even if they do get the legislation through, hysterectomies will be an inevitability for many anyhow.

And yes, the fact that young people will perhaps never be able to experience intimacy and bonding with their future partners due to decisions that they are asked to make before they are legally able to even give consent to sexual acts is cruelty in the extreme IMO.

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