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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So depressed by the Banned Feminist thread on Twitter

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shetheyhim · 12/12/2018 09:43

Yes, apologies, am referencing something linked to the Madi*n again. The young woman who they were cavorting round parliament with last night and who tweeted about being united in their hate of ‘Radfems’ sparked my curiosity. So I just clicked on her name and am just fucking sad at what I see. Just there, her photographed, open -mouthed inviting people to ‘come’ here. Proclaiming she wants to be f*ed hard from behind and have her head held under water. Video of her taking a pee. Just one click away from a page that’s asking youth to stand for Parliament. The young woman in question is putting up a defence and I feel sorry for her because she’s getting some flack and she’s just one young woman earning a crust for selling her sex, but she is also failing to see the bigger picture of the world she inhabits and promotes. Is it bad that I feel so hopeless about this? Is this what being an intersectional feminist is all about? Supporting young women to do this as an empowering and valid career choice? My eyes have been opened to the easy availability of online porn since engaging in the arguments surrounding things like the GRA. So many of the individuals I’ve encountered on twitter in this debate are a click away (or not even that) to images of what I deem to be degrading porno - just there on Twitter - requiring no digging or searching even. I’ve had to bleach my eyes on so many occasions now. Apologies to those of you who don’t know what the hell Im talking about. The Banned Feminist is in ‘dialogue’ of a sort with LM’s friend (and OJ’s) and it’s throwing up some interesting debate.

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PositivelyPERF · 12/12/2018 21:18

Btw, I’m still a woman.

Katvonblackdeath · 12/12/2018 21:56

Either she's sad about being tagged in "teen porn " or it's "Awww"

MickHucknallspinkpancakes · 13/12/2018 09:21

And most rad fems and/or lesbians when centering bio women are told we are vagina fetishists.

Yet a few clicks on TRA profiles on twitter and as @shetheyhim Says you'll easily find the obligatory lingerie with dick pictures or videos of them upskirting themselves or playing with themselves. (Which surprises me, as they aren't supposed to work, be floppy pink and smooth, usual forms of male masturbation are triggering, etc etc yet they are constantly filming or photographing themselves tugging away like monkeys)

Yep we're the fetishists. HmmHmmHmm

I simply can't roll my eyes any further anymore. The hypocrisy and gaslighting is off the scale.

Slothslothsloth · 13/12/2018 10:55

The madigan stuff is, as usual, too idiotic to comment on but looking at Misha Mayfair’s profile I feel so worried for her and other women like her. The things she’s letting men do to her for money are very extreme indeed. Just the idea that she’s letting men hold her head under water. It’s so, so risky and she could lose her life in the blink of an eye. I really hope she will be okay. She’s inviting men to push her down the stairs, beat her up, make her cry.

OrchidInTheSun · 13/12/2018 11:48

And her friend, covered in bruises, inviting men to come bruise her further.

Slothslothsloth · 13/12/2018 11:52

Yes, I saw that too. Awful.

Even if it’s true that these young women have some kind of kink that means they genuinely get off on letting random men they’re presumably not attracted to hurt them (which I find very hard to believe), their lives are seriously at risk. They talk about getting punched in the face, beaten with belts. A man wouldn’t even need to intend to kill them or maim them for it to happen. And they will be specifically attracting men who hate and DO actively want to hurt women. I’m terrified for them.

LangCleg · 13/12/2018 11:55

What they are actually doing is inviting men to do this to women they're not paying. And why we end up with men getting away with murder in courts up and down the land.

Choice? My fucking arse.

R0wantrees · 13/12/2018 11:57

Yep we're the fetishists. hmmhmmhmm

I simply can't roll my eyes any further anymore. The hypocrisy and gaslighting is off the scale.

Jo Bartosch (Critical Sisters co-founder) article this week:
www.spiked-online.com/2018/12/10/transgenderism-a-fetish-that-got-out-of-hand/

Slothslothsloth · 13/12/2018 12:13

What they are actually doing is inviting men to do this to women they're not paying

This is true, but I’m finding it hard to hold this against them personally given how much I’m sure they are suffering or will suffer. The ordinary men who create demand for this kind of thing and the (largely male and male-run) porn directors and porn websites are the root problem; these women are just unthinkingly answering that demand. They’re just cogs in a misogynistic machine.

Misha looks about 20. I think most people are not aware at all of the political consequences of their individual actions, and ESPECIALLY not at that age. She probably thinks she will make a large amount of money quick and get out. But no amount of money can be worth this level of degredation and risk. It’s impossible that she is happy and healthy this way, surely? Or at least not long term. Impossible. Imagine the things the punters probably say to her. It will be continual verbal abuse as well as physical.

I feel truly distressed by her feed, and even more so by the thought that women in her situation are not unusual. And that men being aroused by this stuff is even less unusual.

SirVixofVixHall · 13/12/2018 12:30

The bleakness of all of this. The absolute normalisation of fetishism has been the huge shift of the past two decades. What were once pretty unusual acts are now totally normal, and girls are expected to comply ,anal sex for instance . A nappy-wearing fetishist with a child rapist father is welcomed with open arms by a political party. Sexual violence against women being treated as “fun”.
We are reaching a time when even the most extreme sexual desires of men are not only acceptable but being used to push political agenda.

Slothslothsloth · 13/12/2018 12:39

Yes, there is no such thing as extreme anymore. It’s all normal, What could be more extreme, you would think, than what Misha casually mentions: rough anal sex while someone holds your head underwater? But I get the impression this is pretty much an ordinary day at the office for women who sell sex.

I wonder how many of the current generation of teen girls will ever have the opportunity to enjoy sex on their own terms?

R0wantrees · 13/12/2018 12:51

I wonder how many of the current generation of teen girls will ever have the opportunity to enjoy sex on their own terms?

Jesicca Eaton's article worth reading:

victimfocus.wordpress.com/2018/05/18/beat-the-pussy-up-the-way-we-talk-about-sex-with-women/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3253264-Very-good-article-by-Jessica-Eaton-about-language-used-to-describe-sex

Slothslothsloth · 13/12/2018 12:54

Thanks - I’ll take a look. I’m a big fan of her twitter but haven’t read this.

R0wantrees · 13/12/2018 14:39

TeenVogue article 6/12/18

'How Tumblr's Porn Ban Could Put Sex Workers at Risk'
“For as long as I can remember, the world has done everything in their power to silence sex workers.”
by SYDNEY GREENE

or Peach*, 20, her work hours are mostly when people are getting ready for bed. Her days are filled with planning for her night shift — which makeup and outfits she’ll wear that evening, what themes her videos will have. When she’s finally ready for work, she logs onto Tumblr and starts filming from one to five hours for her audience and clients.

Peach is one of many sex workers who use the social media platform Tumblr to showcase their work, build a client base, and garner the attention of online fans. But for many workers, the platform that they base their livelihood on could shut them and their businesses out — forever.
“I will be very harshly impacted by this financially,” Peach told Teen Vogue in an email interview. “[Tumblr] was my main source of income and it was amazing, too. My feelings are complex. It's a mix of sad, angry, confused, and hurt.”

Earlier this week, Tumblr announced that it would ban adult content from its website, starting on December 17. Under the ban, any form of media displaying or depicting sex acts, “real-life human genitals,” and “female-presenting nipples” will be deleted or set to private and viewable only by the original poster, so the posts can’t be seen or reblogged by other users. According to the Verge, Tumblr had recently been cleaning up its platform at a quicker pace..
“We spent considerable time weighing the pros and cons of expression in the community that includes adult content,” Tumblr CEO Jeff D'Onofrio wrote in a blog post, published Monday. “In doing so, it became clear that without this content we have the opportunity to create a place where more people feel comfortable expressing themselves.”

But Tumblr’s announcement triggered a wave of worry among sex workers and activists who rely on the platform to do much of their work, like Peach. For years, Tumblr had allowed communities that promoted and shared adult content freely, thanks to Tumblr’s arguably lax approach to the monitoring of adult content.

“On Tumblr, I found it to be much more ‘open’, no ‘must join this group to see content’ kind of stuff,” said Tiffany Black*, a 27-year-old trans female sex worker, whose Tumblr account is where the majority of her fans are. “I don’t think they (Tumblr) really realize just how much of their site is ‘adult oriented.’”

The company’s decision means real-life ramifications for sex workers who need the platform not just for money, but for public branding as well. Black, who has used Tumblr for seven to eight years, said workers like herself — who might not be firmly planted in the industry — might suffer the most from the ban on adult content. She said Tumblr’s decision has the potential to end her and other workers' careers “before they ever begin, or at least severely delay” their career paths." (continues)
www.teenvogue.com/story/how-tumblrs-porn-ban-could-put-sex-workers-at-risk

R0wantrees · 13/12/2018 14:45

link to above:
twitter.com/thesydneygreene/status/1070783958890237953

arranbubonicplague · 13/12/2018 14:50

What they are actually doing is inviting men to do this to women they're not paying. And why we end up with men getting away with murder in courts up and down the land.

Wisdom from the 1980s, Manslaughter should be written and pronounced as Man's Laughter" to denote the charge, the legal process, and the freedom from consequences.

MickHucknallspinkpancakes · 13/12/2018 15:37

Career paths? Seriously?

Yes because sex Work didn't exist before Tumblr did it?

Tumblr is a site open to teens - I think it has a 13 year old limit to join?

Why should the feelings of voyeurs, punters and sex Vorkurs "career paths" be above the rights of young people to enjoy the site.

Why don't they organise and set up an 18+ site instead?

PipGoesPop · 13/12/2018 15:49

Can anyone ecplain why this shit is allowed on twitter but saying eomen don't have penises is not. I mean beyond the explanation that they (twitter) are utter fuckwads?

Seriously what is the 'reasoning' behind this?

Slothslothsloth · 13/12/2018 15:57

WTF is wrong with teen vogue? Why is it seemingly exclusively focused on content massively unsuitable for its target age group now? It’s like some kind of terrifying indoctrination vehicle.

I believe in being open with children about sex, in an age-appropriate way. But if things are still like they were when I was a child, the readership for “teen” mags is actually around 10-13. People that age do not have the capacity to understand what sex work really entails, or make judgements about tumblrs policy in relation to sexual content.

Ereshkigal · 13/12/2018 20:32

It's grooming, isn't it.

SirVixofVixHall · 14/12/2018 18:57

Yes grooming, and normalising porn. Teen vogue is horrifying. Most girls would read normal Vogue from 15 or so. Teen vogue is for children too young to consent to sex and yet they have articles on anal sex etc.

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