Theybies?

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Sorry if there's already been a thread, literally just seen this myself

Theybies?

Do children really not have a clue about gender till 4 then suddenly at 4 they know??

I don't understand the world right now!

Someone needs to explain to that woman the difference between sex and gender.

Tucker Carlson is a master of the incredulous look.

I know that most of what he does is laughing at liberals (who frequently deserve it) but the irony meter was off the scale when he told her "no toxic masculinity in my studio"

Interviewer: what other profound life decisions do we think people should be making at age 4?!

This made me smile, the expression on the interviewers face is priceless

Here's another one with her.

We don't have time for you to define bio- energetics on this show, so I'm just going to let that pass

"You can be equal, but different, which they are"

Why so many denying biology?!

There are bio differences! He said, and he laughed at her.

ARggggghhhhhh!

There is so much to be said for limiting the sex-based stereotypes which influence socialisation of children.

It means a male child (boy) or female child (girl) may be freer from society's gendered-stereotypes rather than limited by them.

Not that the child at 4yrs old chooses the set of gendered stereotypes they would like to sign up to.

Words matter.

"The first time I changed the world was when I told my mates to call me she rather than he. I literally constructed a new world where its possible to understand myself as a genderqueer woman, despite being asigned male at birth simply by changing the language to describe myself. This is why language and pronouns are so important. Its about creating a world in which trans people are allowed to exist"

Jess Bradley 'To My Trans Sisters'
edited by Charlie Craggs (publ Oct 2017)

Not that the child at 4yrs old chooses the set of gendered stereotypes they would like to sign up to

yes this

These people start from so far inside the box that they can't event see the box

here's a revolutionary idea. what if some boys just like glitter and unicorns and nails varnish (in fact most young boys like nail varnish in my experience) and it means nothing apart from describing their personality?

Juuuuuust gonna ask...

Isn't "baby" a non denominational term anyway?

These people start from so far inside the box that they can't event see the box

This. How can an aggressively commercial ideology creating nothing more than prisons of market segments ever be thought of as progressive?

Brings to mind the comment someone made on Twitter about the similarities to the concept of a vegan cat (ie. we all know whose choice that really was).

Isn't "baby" a non denominational term anyway?

Its all abut the pronouns... baby is they, the child at 4 years old will presumably choose its pronouns. Thus signalling to the world which of the gender 'options' it prefers.

which in terms of children's language aquisition is interesting

Its all abut the pronouns... baby is they, the child at 4 years old will presumably choose its pronouns. Thus signalling to the world which of the gender 'options' it prefers.

And then changing its mind a week later, because it is 4.

And then changing its mind a week later, because it is 4.

Or becoming entrenched in sex-based stereotypes?
Is there a grand reveal when the child's 'gender' preference is announced to world at 4 years and suitably gender-conforming gifts and clothes are provided.

O its going to be another opportunity for card sellers and cake makers isnt it?

Someone has set up a petition:

twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1070285627013390338

www.change.org/p/matt-hancock-mp-protect-the-rights-of-transgender-babies

Titania? Really?

Is that petition a joke?

Person's schtick seems to be taking the piss out of the left, so probably. Though it is sometimes hard to tell after that AFTH manifesto that was all "let all trans prisoners out and btw we also demand the right to do surgery on ourselves".

Just another silly faux progressive fad where wealthy middle class parents try and find a special opt out for their own children.

The next step in the narrative is to potentially describe any parent/midwife/doctor who observes a baby's sex at birth as 'coercively assigning male/female at birth'

If we can't know what gender someone is until they tell us I thing we need to go a step further and have them wait till they've attained full cognitive development before making the big announcement.

I propose setting the age at which this happens at 24. Think, it would be the longest Twitter break Lily has ever had!

I gathered that the petition is a pisstake. Because if the argument that trans children know their own minds absolutely is taken to the extreme, then we'd have to adopt the stance that all children have the right to decide what sex they are. Since some trans children know they're trans from the age of 3 or 4, then the age of 4 seems really quite sensible.

Though, of course, there could be children of 4 or older who could be unsure, or even c*sheteronormthingytive, perhaps it would be better that all schools adopt the policy of all children being girls/female/whateverthecorrecttermis one week, and then all children being boys/male/whateverthecorrecttermis the next? Government to provide funding for two sets of uniform, obviously.

By the end of formal education, every child should know what they are - and probably the parents will have resorted to distilling gin in their bathtub.

I do like Kittens approach, though.

So you tend to just hear shit about Tucker Carlson if you aren't a US Republican, but this was hilarious (for the most part, I mean the Sherpa's point about telling girls they must be princesses he replied to "biological reality" which misses the point).

I'm a midwife in a very right-on area of Canada and I had some painfully woke clients who planned to do this. They gave their DD a gender neutral name (obvs I was asked not to announce/make a big deal of the sex at birth) and they started off by referring to her as "they". On day 2 I noticed they were slipping up (I was still doing my best to be polite and go along with it) and by day 3 they were referring to her as "little miss" They were really lovely and intelligent people and I think the nonsense of the whole idea dawned on them fairly quickly!

Can I just ask, as you are a midwife, why on earth any MW would feel it necessary to tell parents the sex of their own baby?

I think I must have been in the minority with a midwife who said nothing at the birth of mine and it was the most exciting thing to do - scooping up the baby, welcoming the baby, then moments later looking for the sex of the baby. I think many MWs take this away from couples who don't need to be told the baby's sex.

Is it a necessary protocol or anything? I really appreciated my MW for stepping back each time, and staying out of that precious moment.