You’re not a true feminist if you eat eggs

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inews.co.uk/news/environment/peta-no-eggs-for-feminists/

A new slant on feminism from PETA.

(Except not if you're Ingrid Whatsername who runs/used to run PETA, because she's too important for the rules to apply.)

Feminism as it's "in fashion, so we will pretend we're the real fashionistas...."

The vegan in question turned out to be lovely and, basically, just not an arse

I don't understand, was she vegan or not?
;-)

I really fancy scrambled eggs with smoked salmon right now.

Considering the mass murder on their brothers cause those can‘t lay eggs, I am not sure the feminist outrage about female chicken‘s reproductive exploitation comes across as a convincing, non-cynical selling point.

Their argument is that the dairy and eggs industry leads to abuse of the female reproductive organs of the animals. There is forceful removal of milk and eggs from these animals while their make babies are then butchered for meat.

I am not a vegan myself but I can surely see their point. Why is it so difficult to understand what they are saying, without the sniggers and put downs?

*male babies

Well I'm off to tweet Munro Berkoff that if her feminism doesn't include chickens she can cluck off.

Halfling because not everything that impacts male and female animals at equal measure - well, actually it impacts males more - is for women to sort out. Let the MRA‘s take charge of that, or, even better, the Otherkin.

I am so sick of women being told to include everything and anything into their feminism, including men and now even other species (with whose one half we after all share the experience of laying eggs or something).

Well I'm off to tweet Munro Berkoff that if her feminism doesn't include chickens she can cluck off

Well, I'd say that chickens' (and other farm animals') insistence on biological reality is pretty transphobic TBH. If the rooster wants to be in the hen house and lay eggs, of course "she" can!

Peta just want publicity so press releases like this will get noticed. Some sympathy though. Think they should have focussed on dairy though. Cows repeatedly made pregnant and calves removed shortly after birth again and again until the animal is worn out at about a quarter of their natural lifespan and then killed. That does get to me.

Feminism is about the liberation of women. It's got fuck all to do with the females of other species. That is a completely different issue.

PETA are bonkers i really wouldn't listen to a word they spout tbh

It's a strange angle to choose, purely because the biggest ethical problem with eating eggs is that all male chickens are killed instantly at birth, in a really nasty fashion.

Oh, can we just weaponise feminism for whatever we want now?

Ok, you are not a feminist if...um, you come to work with a cold and cough near the asthmatics.

There, right, I'm getting the hang of this.

You are not a feminist if you use any petrol based means of transport or products, as oil selling countries oppress women and resulting global will hit women, particularly in the global Sout, and their sons and daughters, too.

(The guys, of course, get to keep their sportscars and transatlantic heli-skiing habits, not being feminists and all...)

Seems a bit transphobic to me how do they not know the chickens don’t identify as Male.

Is feminism supposed to include females from every animal species now?

Do I need to start protesting about female lions doing all the 'wifework' whilst the males strut around at home?

It's not just PETA, it's a problem in vegan groups generally. The wokebeards can condense their approach to vegan feminism down to

1. EWWWWWWWW that came out of a FEMALE body! Chicken periods, cow breastmilk, how NASTY

2. Speciesism (really) means that the way you treat animals is morally equivalent to the way you treat women or minorities. Pig farms are exactly like concentration camps, artificial insemination is literally rape, and hanging a dead animal is identical to lynchings in the southern states of America. This works as long as you see no real difference between the emotional and intellectual life of a woman and that of a chicken.

3. Non-vegans aren't real feminists therefore I can ignore them when they say things like men shouldn't harass or rape women.

There are some brilliant vegan feminist analyses (Carol J Adams and the Sexual Politics of Meat for example) but PETA & co are not among them.

Carol Adams was actually rather logically persuasive at FILIA, I'm umming and ahhing about the subject at the moment...

However, what with meat being considered "man food" by some (whereas all ladies like a salad...) I'm doing my bit to subvert that by eating large quantities of meat, preferably off the bone with my hands. Trés ladylike..

There’s also lots of interesting research done about Male violence and abattoirs, so basically there is more domestic violence in towns where there are slaughterhouses. This is true even if you allow for economic factors.

Do I need to start protesting about female lions doing all the 'wifework' whilst the males strut around at home?

No, male poachers are already taking care of that problem. They mostly kill the male lions because they look more impressive.

What shining examples of feminist allies they are!

There’s also lots of interesting research done about Male violence and abattoirs, so basically there is more domestic violence in towns where there are slaughterhouses. This is true even if you allow for economic factors.

That's quite interesting, but not unique to feminism.
Some male thinkers have also proposed that cruelty to animals should be outlawed, not because the animals suffer, but because anyone who is cruel to animals will soon be cruel to humans, too.

It is an interesting theory, and I am inclined to listen to Carol Adams, but I am allergic to the "if you don't include XY, your feminism is no true feminism at all" argument.

Feminism is true feminism if it aims to liberate women from patriarchy.

Some male thinkers have also proposed that cruelty to animals should be outlawed, not because the animals suffer, but because anyone who is cruel to animals will soon be cruel to humans, too.

I indeed think this is true. But, just like state sanctioned murder aka the death penalty, which also leads society down a dark path imo, this is not particularly a feminist issue but a humanitarian one, surely.

this is not particularly a feminist issue but a humanitarian one, surely.

Absolutely.

I get the impression a lot of men want feminism to essentially do the work of humanitarism so that they themselves don't have to do any of the work.

I'm not falling for that ploy.

I agree it’s a humanitarian issue rather than a feminist one.

I do think there are parallels between why I’m vegan and why I’m a radical feminist though.
One of those things is the way society is created to give people a sense of entitlement over other living things bodies.

I know my husband is very vocal about this that he doesn’t eat meat and he doesn’t watch porn for the same reason, that those bodies belong to someone else and their safety and right to live free from harm is more important than his pleasure.