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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Womb transplant - I think we know where this will go don't we?

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OhHolyJesus · 05/12/2018 07:42

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46438396

After claiming our pronouns and our genitals I suspect they'll be after our wombs next.

I hope medical rules prevent it and they only transplant them to women with fertility issues.

Would it even work in a male body?

Just supposing really...

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Rhynswynd · 06/12/2018 04:29

This has been a fascinating and informative thread. Thanks everyone. Slight sidebar, but I am HmmShock at the women on this thread who don't get why men should not be allowed access to a uterus.

Womb transplant - I think we know where this will go don't we?
ChattyLion · 06/12/2018 08:55

I don’t think that new research or techniques alone are to be opposed when they could help women who maybe have been are born with a partial or missing womb or a womb for whatever reason can’t carry a pregnancy.

However there are huge ethical questions about how research in this space is done and how the results might own day be applied to patients that are really important for everyone to set very clear lines around.

It wouldn’t be right to stop some women getting access to something, for fear some men might be allowed to use it. The action should be to talk about why the men want to do that and have that debate.

ChattyLion · 06/12/2018 08:56

*one day

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HairyLittlePoet · 06/12/2018 10:28

I'm sure this news has been a cause for celebration in certain sectors. Hmm

Womb transplant - I think we know where this will go don't we?
merrymouse · 06/12/2018 10:37

It’s not going to go anywhere.
Pregnancy is maintained by a delicate balance of hormones not just a uterus.
Babies would have been grown
In a tank by now if that were possible.

Exactly, pregnancy is a much more complicated process than just having a uterus - otherwise nobody would ever have a miscarriage and IVF would be 100% effective.

There are also huge ethical difficulties in carrying out the research that would enable a child to be carried to term.

But beyond that, large parts of the world don't have access to clean water or basic medicine (including in rich countries like the US...). It's as much sci fi to claim that this kind of technology would affect the way most people live as it is to say that it would work in the first place.

BettyDuMonde · 06/12/2018 12:12

One of the side effects of cyclosporine (anti rejection drug) is random hair growth.

It’s given my 7 year old DD a monobrow and moustache - can’t see many TW risking similar 🙊

Binglebong · 06/12/2018 17:23

Fear not. If in the 100% unlikely event they get a doctorin a country which is not the UKto agree to attempt this procedure we can all rest assured that it won't work and they will probably die from infection or some such other complication.

This isn't actually a good thing. I am horrified that people, mainly children, have been told that this is a possibility. They have been taught that they can change sex and that this is the next stage. Their delusion could kill them.

That is not a good thing.

(I suspect you didn't mean it like that in which case I'm sorry. I'm also very very tired. And I think you will be screenshoted as an example of MN transphobic so might be an idea y6o ask for removal).

Calvinsmam · 06/12/2018 17:25

And when they have a shortage of viable wombs from unfortunate women who die early how long until men start going abroad to buy wombs from desperate women.

Sashkin · 06/12/2018 17:59

And when they have a shortage of viable wombs from unfortunate women who die early how long until men start going abroad to buy wombs from desperate women

There is already a well-established market in live-donor organs in certain countries. The same countries where there is an established paid surrogacy market. So actually I would imagine that would be the initial route they would take, rather than faffing about waiting for a cadaveric organ.

Live-donor transplants do generally have slightly better outcomes than deceased-donor transplants. Shorter cold ischaemic time = more chance of success. Fitter younger donors in the first place. And you have time to prepare for surgery at a convenient time, unlike a deceased donor.

I know a lot of the initial uterine transplants were from mother to infertile daughter (age of womb being less important than age of ovaries). So live related would be another option (pressure for mums/sisters/wives to donate?)

I’m not in favour (if that wasn’t clear). It does seem like a more likely route than using cadavers though. Wouldn’t need to be legal here, either.

ViragoKnows · 06/12/2018 23:41

I'm sure this news has been a cause for celebration in certain sectors.

Does that person in the screenshot even realise that wombs and uteruses are the same thing ?

NibblyPig · 07/12/2018 13:37

Anyone familiar with Burke and Hare?

RedToothBrush · 07/12/2018 14:05

Whilst everyone is reflecting on the trans angle, I think you should all have a good think about this for other reasons.

The issue I can see relates to who will be 'givers' and who shall be 'recievers'.

Firstly the 'recievers' angle.
Lets reflect on whether this would ever be available on the NHS? Given that IVF isn't in many areas, it seems a highly unlikely proposal.
Thus the only women who might benefit from this, would have to be well off.

In addition to this, they are, by the same logic, likely to be older and therefore also more likely to have other health problems relating to pregnancy, than a woman in her early twenties.

And if they are having a transplant they will be recieving drugs to prevent organ rejection.

To say you would be looking at it being a high risk option would be something of an understatement.

What happens if you have a man who insists his wife has a transplant so he can have a child?

Is this in the best interests of the mother / child?

Second of all is this idea of being 'givers'

Whose organs are going to be used? Reflecting on who dies younger (and also the dangerous of presumed concern and how this might have a detrimental effect for the vulnerable).

Honestly the whole thing makes me shudder. There is a world of difference between having a life saving transplant or one which is relatively speaking low risk but has a considerable benefit to quality of life to this. It begs the ethical question of whether it strays into the camp of whether it counts as 'doing harm' by HCPs.

I voted remain before but if we have another ref do wonder if getting rid of many EU laws and the ECJ will benefit females against this sort of stuff. The ECJ has made it all worse by saying people who think they are women should have the same rights as women.

I think you are getting your European Courts mixed up.

mirandayardley · 07/12/2018 16:58

Playing out pregnancy fantasies is quite a significant transgender subculture.

Materialist · 07/12/2018 18:59

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LangCleg · 07/12/2018 20:37

Fucking pregnancy heartburn. I became a Gaviscon addict, I swear. Also had to sleep sitting up.

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