Womb transplant - I think we know where this will go don't we?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46438396

After claiming our pronouns and our genitals I suspect they'll be after our wombs next.

I hope medical rules prevent it and they only transplant them to women with fertility issues.

Would it even work in a male body?

Just supposing really...

Also, I believe that some people have a delusional belief that young trans men will be the donators of wombs to trans women, not appreciating what happens to female organs when those trans men take testosterone.

It makes the TRA drive to persuade young autistic women and lesbians that they're really men even creepier.

I can’t see this happening, it takes more than a uterus to sustain a pregnancy.

What I find intriguing in all this stuff about womb transplants is the disregard for the number of foetuses that must be lost in trying to get a live pregnancy. I’m pro-choice with regards to abortion but as far as I’m aware it’s illegal in Brazil, but a womb transplant that is very risky for a foetus is ok?

Would it be morally acceptable to the masses to deliberately put so many foetuses at risk for the sake of someone with a male body to try and sustain a pregnancy. Especially when you think how women are judged if they drink, eat certain foods, or take medication during pregnancy.

'sewing a pair of balls onto a woman and expecting a female body to be able to produce sperm

Barring immunological reactions, that likely would work. Semen would be another matter and the sperm would be genetically that of the donor. The recipient would also benefit from a reduced risk of osteoporosis.'

REALLY??!!

I just listened to this. Think about where this is heading... Nowhere good for women and children

Can We Make an Artificial Womb? g.co/kgs/Dir15v

I don't think it would ever happen, as you all rightly say, growing a baby is more than just an organ to house it.

I suppose that I've become so suspicious of the trans ideology that it wouldn't surprise me if they try to take that from us too somehow.

Maybe when the trans argument falls down due to science we call all agree that the biology between men and women is different.

Those with donor cards who disagree with this, would need to change the consents.

Organ donation is an opt out now, bear in mind.

REALLY??!!

Yes. It's not immediately clear what cyclical levels of GnRH would do long term in terms of spermatogenesis but it's not that outlandish that functioning sperm would be produced in some capacity.

Organ donation is an opt out now

Not yet in England

I decided to opt out when I saw they wanted my gender not my sex. If they don't realise the importance of sex when it comes to donated organs then I don't trust them with my body. Sex not gender. I'm now getting too old for most donations anyway

Some people seem to think the uterus is just a sort of bag that you can grow a foetus in, so why would it matter where the bag is.

Just like some people seem to think the vagina is just a hole to put a dick in, so why shouldn't a surgically created hole be a vagina.

There is a lot of ignorance about the complexity of the female reproductive system and the female reproductive role, and in a lot of cases it stems from pure misogyny.

I found this online, makes for grim reading but this research funded by the Wellcome Trust and published Aug 2018, shows it is being seriously considered.
obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1471-0528.15438

Personally, I believe there is a greater chance humans will become technically able to grow an embryo into a baby in an artificial uterus outside the body than there is to do that in a male.

I further believe that it is more likely that bioethics committees and doctors will consent to an 'outside of body' procedure/experiment than to an 'in male' procedure/experiment, as the latter always poses additional risk, namely the life and health of the adult male.

Wow, ChewyLouie, the article intro is one big narcisstic wank fest.

'Ethically, the consideration of performing UTx in transgender women is primarily motivated by the considerations of justice and equality. Like all women, psychological harm may arise secondary to a mismatch between reproductive capacity and aspiration. Transgender women have AUFI, and therefore they cannot experience gestation, which may play an integral role in the expression and consolidation of a female identity, and is considered by many to constitute a transformative experience. Legally, under the Equality Act (2010) transgender people are afforded explicit protection from both direct and indirect forms of discrimination through the characterisation of ‘gender reassignment’ as a protected characteristic. As such, M2F transgender women cannot be subjected to discrimination on the basis of this characteristic. Subsequently, if UTx becomes an established treatment option for women with AUFI, UK and EU legislation would make it legally impermissible to refuse to perform UTx in transgender women solely because of their gender identity. Performing UTx in this population, however, raises a number of anatomical, physiological, fertility, and obstetric considerations.'

Everything for the validation of the transmale, let's shit on the child and Equality Act (2010) gives 'transwomen' the principle right to be pregnant. Because law always trumps material reality, obviously.
What lunacy!

I voted remain before but if we have another ref do wonder if getting rid of many EU laws and the ECJ will benefit females against this sort of stuff. The ECJ has made it all worse by saying people who think they are women should have the same rights as women.

Since they're apparently wanting gender and not biological sex, they're probably not scientifically competent to find their own backside with both hands anyway.

I see nowhere in this is any interest in the best interests of the child, or the likely effects on them, or even a recognition of the child as a stakeholder in the process. Any discussion of male preg is always all about me, me, me, me and the wanted experiences for me and the feelz for me and the power for me, while a group of scientists enjoy the intellectual challenge.

Not to mention if special fertility privileges are to be extended to transwomen then they're obviously going to have to be also extended to every woman to the same degree and cost, in a way that they aren't now. Because mental health and it being an integral part of the female experience and all the rest of the bollocks in that article.

Didn't Lili Elbe (the Danish Girl) die after an unsuccessful womb implant?

Deep water solo, yes it certainly is 😀. Also explains the need to blur sex and gender, if self ID is in place then the step for sex=gender in law becomes natural. So what happens to women’s health and the funding for women’s health issues when men are women? Exactly who will the money be going to , research into mens health issues when they’re living as the opposite sex or women. Research into answers for endometriosis, PCOS and adenomyosis is woefully underfunded as it is, disappointed that the Wellcome trust chose to fund this research in place of women’s health.

Legally, under the Equality Act (2010) transgender people are afforded explicit protection from both direct and indirect forms of discrimination through the characterisation of ‘gender reassignment’ legislation would make it legally impermissible to refuse to perform UTx in transgender women solely because of their gender identify If this is true why doesn't the protected characteristic of sex make it legally impermissible to discriminate against women and deny them, for example, beard removal? Any treatment trans women get all women should get the same because equality

If it is the ability to gestate a child that marks someone as woman in these scientists viewpoints, I presume they will automatically discount anyone who has fathered a child from transition? No?

born. Yes, Lili Elbe died within three months of the womb implant, of cardiac arrest brought on by an infection.

I do wonder whether it was 'just' an infection or whether it was Graft vs Host disease which can be fatal. It's an immune system response and particularly nasty by the sounds of it. I'm not a biologist, by the way, but I am fascinated by the working of the immune system. Mike's a bit wonky, hence my interest.

Oh FFS, autocorrect. Mine, not Mike.

I have no idea who Mike is, nor whether his immune system is wonky or not.

I think there would be an interest in uterus transplantation to cause menstruation, aside from conception.

There will probably done will hope to want menstruate - it’s in the name innit, but that’s not possible. I think any attempts would be for gestation only and they would need to be taking immunosuppressants throughout.