In defence of deadnaming

[welshgendercrit]

For ‘deadnaming’ is just a Newspeak word designed to demonise the telling of historical truths. Not satisfied with seeking to control contemporary discussion and attitudes, now trans activists and their allies (all institutions, in essence) want to control the past itself. History. No way. The past happened, it was true, and we should not allow that to be erased and forgotten just to make some people feel better about themselves.

Yet again spiked (which I never used to read) has written a good, hardhitting, sensible article on transactivism.

www.spiked-online.com/2018/10/11/in-defence-of-deadnaming/

“Relax with Indiana Jones”
You do realise Indiana Jones is fiction and not a physical reality, rather like the other fiction you are so keen to pontificate about on here. You’ll never find Indiana Jones to relax with and you’ll never find a man who has actually become a woman ( even the ones that call themselves lesbians ☹️).
Foxy, you need the reality vs dreams poster from Father Ted.

you'll have to amuse yourselves

It is impossible to engage respectfully with someone who posts like this. You know that, right, nonexistent? I'm just checking my understanding of your posts on this thread, as my conclusion is that you really just want to thumb your nose at us, rather than engage in anything approaching debate. But hey, you do you. If you need to believe that you've totally bossed this thread with your killer debating skills, to the wild applause of a fiercely approving but inexplicably silent audience, then knock yourself out.

Remember what the worst thing we can do to a de-railer is?

Ignore, folks, ignore!

I know, olenna, I know!

I do about as well ignoring a derailer as I do ignoring the five boxes of chocolates I got for christmas

Cake to ice?

I fear there will be an entire bakery of cakes that have needed icing before we see the end of this particular Sisyphean effort.

I do about as well ignoring a derailer as I do ignoring the five boxes of chocolates I got for christmas

Gah. I only got four. What am I doing wrong?

You must have a bag of carrots somewhere that can identify as chocolates.

Can anyone think of another widespread situation where someone is able to delete their past? The ONLY cases I can think of are either witness protection or released prisoner protection. Both exceptionally rare and needing specific case by case set up.

The ability to erase a criminal past by making deadnaming illegal is very worrying.

my mother in law gave me three of them...I recently lost a bunch of weight and I think she thinks I'm too thin now.

Bag of carrots makes me sound like a horse

The ability to erase a criminal past by making deadnaming illegal is very worrying.

The desire to do so - and arguing in favour of it - is indicative of someone who is devoid of empathy.

Enjoy icing your cake, maybe you should consider opening a small business?

Yeah, not without recourse to actually understanding what any of us is saying, though.

What you appear to be saying is very simple. That lesbians can have penises and you know quite a few lesbians (presumably with penises), who agree with you.

And you're annoyed that we don't disagree with all the other people who are trying to make deadnaming illegal, even though there aren't any other people.

And you have written loads of posts making out that you are enjoying poking feminists through the bars of their cage because it's a bit of a crack, and it's what smart people do.

Obscuring these things when you're called out is what is making you unintelligible.

Have I missed anything?

Could it be made illegal?

If so how?

Does someone want to make dead naming illegal?

Is this on Twitter again or is someone credible actually asking for dead naming to be illegal?

Could it be made illegal?

Good question.

If so how?

Another good question.

Hoping noone's going to have a hard time understanding me as I'm using the GC-favoured tactic of missing a line out between every sentence.

For clarity.

Could it be made illegal?

Simply give it as an example of hate crime?

I'm using the GC-favoured tactic of missing a line out between every sentence.

I've

never

done

this

before

so

am

upping

the

ante.

SophoclesTheFox, IME on here the possibility of engaging respectfully goes south as soon as you make it clear you disagree because people irrevocably assume the worst about you and treat you with contempt. It's the main reason I try to avoid FWR, and I can point you to other people explaining this on AIBU threads without snark.

I'm quite aware that my only audience is you (pl.) and I won't have any impact on you, but I do sometimes offer serious answers to your questions which I do put conscience and effort into, mainly to examine my own thinking and for the pleasure of constructing a considered argument, e.g.on bits of p5, p8, p10. These are ignored, deflected, disbelieved, dismissed with a variety of one-word epithets or e.g. told Life is too short so I only read your last paragraph rather than engaged with. My experience is flatly denied or ridiculed. My first post was greeted with the phrase "hard of thinking", shortly followed by "daft" and suggestions that I am masturbating.

This is not a respectful or mature atmosphere. "GC" is the overwhelming majority on here and it's your atmosphere. I'm told it's all my fault but here's the thing, there's 20 of you and one of me and I do concede doubt and uncertainty and nobody else does. You know that nobody is perfect so if people keep battering me with their refusal to concede the slightest scintilla of fallibility while telling me it's because what I'm saying is stupid, lying, incoherent or worthless (and I know I'm not stupid or lying and I check with others on coherency) then it just looks like attempted bullying.

Hoping noone's going to have a hard time understanding me as I'm using the GC-favoured tactic of missing a line out between every sentence.

Lol.

Those GC feminists with their lines between sentences.

God damn them.

Is this on Twitter again or is someone credible actually asking for dead naming to be illegal?

Can you define credible please.

It's not a wall of text. It's a wall of missing text! What do we think to the aesthetics?!

I don’t think anyone seriously is asking, Rat - are they? Not as in someone proposing a change to legislation

What is happening is an indirect push - there’s a case somewhere where someone is arguing they shouldn’t be prosecuted for a crime because the person who did it ‘no longer exists ’. Was it Northern Ireland ? I’ll need to dig it out...

As for being a hate crime, there needs to be a crime first, and what makes it a hate crime is the perceived motivation. So graffiti on a train station is criminal damage but antipasta (pun intended) graffiti on the door of the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a hate crime.

As several pp have said, Fox, many of us have lesbian friends who object profoundly to MTF trans people and their allies "dictating the terms of lesbian sexuality to them".

So that's an impasse, isn't it?

Was it Northern Ireland ?

Republic of Ireland. Where they have self ID.

So graffiti on a train station is criminal damage but antipasta (pun intended) graffiti on the door of the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a hate crime.

Yes, which is why some people tried to claim sticking up the "Women Don't Have Penises" stickers was a bona fide hate crime, because criminal damage + "transphobic hate".