I was one of the transactivists on the channel 4 documentary, I regret what I did — this is why

[OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon]

medium.com/@Betsulimo/i-was-one-of-the-transactivists-on-the-channel-4-documentary-i-regret-what-i-did-this-is-why-7e12350ab6d3

Someone who was filmed trying to stop the “we need to talk” session now thinks they were wrong for attempting to shut down debate and realises that they were intimidating women

Now in the Guardian
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/26/trans-rights-protest-gender-critical

Imagine if we could all have a big hug and work out some better path.

That would be third spaces, and transwomen being transwomen.

GC people are delighted to look at ways of providing trans people with what they need, just saying no, you can't have the word or concept woman/free entry to all biological women's spaces/be recognised as an absolutely equal biological woman despite not being one, because biological women are a thing and need their own rights. There are other ways, let's talk about them, but that's the hard line.

The TRA ideology is TWAW #nodebate

There really is going to be no Good Friday agreement on this. And women must not be pulled into compromising in an attempt to be nice/show willing/set a good example/be the bigger person/ hug it out/ because any compromise surrenders women's legal and human rights being rolled back to benefit men .

Personally I'd have said 'no thanks' to the pint never mind a hug. But dialogue is not capitulation, and clear lines in the sand are surely a given in any debate.

Also, I can't link to Twitter at the moment but it Joani Walsh has passed on a message regarding Heather's response (as posted by Pilar and R0wan):
Heather's asking if anyone on Mumsnet can make this known to those currently in discussion about it over there...

The Guardian is allowing comments! :O

Comments on the Guardian are being heavily moderated. Sigh.

It's so incredibly fucking annoying that this person is being hailed as some kind of hero for expressing regret at taking action that was dangerous and terrifying, whereas those of us who have been polite and civil all along get no credit at all. Has the Guardian ever allowed one person from the other side of this debate to have the space to express their views on the comment pages?

I've now been put on the Guardian's naughty step for a comment (not published) stating that the problem was not that trans women posed a danger to women and girls, but that abusive men would go to extreme lengths to gain access to victims, and that could include claiming to identify as trans. That's it. They are so fucking thick that they won't allow through a comment about the behaviour of abusive men because they think it breaks their moderation rules. Morons.

At least he changed "big name TERFs" to "big name gender critical feminists"

oops .... pronoun failure....

At least Esther changed "big name TERFs" to "big name gender critical feminists"

So, let me get this right...

On an article celebrating a transactivist for realising gender critical voices shouldn't be suppressed.... the moderators are suppressing gender critical voices?

I got that right didn't I? (Not doubting my comprehension skills - it's just the hyprocracy is fucking mind boggling).

Slow hand clap, Guardian.

Can people post here what the Guardian are suppressing so there's a record?

Brilliant idea, Everybody

In fact a running evidence thread is needed of 'comments deleted for being 'transphobic' (guardian, twitter, etc) none of which will be actually transphobic in any way. Should demonstrate nicely how truth and facts are being made taboo.

candid It was probably a Guardian subeditor who changed the wording to gender critical feminist, rather than EB herself.

hackmum so the Guardian are shutting down convo's about abusive men you say?!!!

I thought we'd come so far, now for no freedom of speech on men who abuse women, and will do anything necessary to get into women's spaces.

There was me thinking that the press were all for freedom of speech, ah, yes, just for 'them' then

My critical but polite comment wasnt posted. I'm guessing some heavy bias here.

I'm not sure what you expect from the guardian?

Knicknackpaddyflak I'll start a thread...

PilarTernera possibly.... there was a whole conversation on twitter yesterday where people said if you are sorry, stop calling us TERFS and Esther said 'ok'. So if it had appeared in the Guardian today it would have been baaad.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the apology.

I started a thread about suppressed comments here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3435060-Comments-deleted-for-being-transphobic-feminist-on-media-websites

The Guardian is so ridiculous. At least a few decent comments got through. Don't bother panhandling at me because you're not getting a penny, Guardian.

The Guardian didn’t report the harassment when it happened, only now, when they’ve found a token TRA who has apologised. So the only coverage of this even manages to spin it into something positive.

Guess what, Guardian? The threatening behaviour didn’t suddenly become wrong because somebody apologised, it was wrong all along, and you don’t get to ignore threatening behaviour for months then use an apology as proof of good behaviour.

I wouldn't post what you wrote on the Guardian here unless you're capable of being seen across forums if they then decide to let the comment through.

Hmm... for the Guardian to pick up on this so quickly when they wouldn't touch the original incident is a tad suspicious I will grant you.

It really doesn’t matter whether this person is genuine or not.

The reason for not ‘engaging in debate’ with them is that they are just some random balaclava wearer.

Like the person who said they wore a face covering to the poll tax riots. If you took it off, said sorry, would you then expect to be debated as some kind of special anti poll tax spokesperson?

If they want to debate they can post on here or Reddit or wherever like all us other nobodies. They don’t get a special seat at the table just because they regret threatening some women.

They are not the Ronnie Kray of staircase disputes.

On an article celebrating a transactivist for realising gender critical voices shouldn't be suppressed.... the moderators are suppressing gender critical voices?

Exactly so. The Guardian are going to look so utterly stupid when this all blows up in their faces.