Another batshit legal decision

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6419723/Mothers-ex-taught-son-one-call-slag-years-harrowing-abuse.html

Cross post! I just posted this. Shall I get mine take down?
Anyway it's a disgraceful judgement and I really fear for the child as he will no doubt demand contact and continue to be a danger.

I’m just speechless. As someone currently in a similar relationship, biding my time, I think she is seriously under estimating the extent to which men like him make you doubt your sanity. They knock your confidence and self worth until you feel you will struggle to do anything without them. How dare this judge measure the crime on the way the ‘victim’ has coped? I just can’t believe it.

I've asked for my thread about this to be taken down so there's only one thread.

in what other crime does the victim's reaction define the crime?

Wtf is this crap. She's a parent she hasn't got time to fall apart. You can't punish somone for not breaking down.

Its no different to saying it's not rape she didn't scream.

Is there a petition or anything We can sign?

I hate it when I look at the comments in the DM and agree. What now rich people can't get burgled? Yes he was run over but there's no permanent damage. There's no way this woman - or her child - have come out of this completely unaffected, no way.

In one the couple’s one-year-old son can be heard telling Miss Smith to ‘ off’ and calling her a ‘slag’ and a ‘slut’ under instruction from Measor.

How can a judge think this won't have lasting effect?

Yes, if you are beaten up but recover well and have no lasting effects, does that mean the person who beat you up shouldn't be convicted? Wtf?!

There's no way this woman....[has] come out of this completely unaffected, no way.

maybe not completely unaffected - but how serious was it ? That's the question.

As long as men aren't held accountable for their actions, all is well in the world, eh?

How dare this judge measure the crime on the way the ‘victim’ has coped? I just can’t believe it.

They use this kind of logic a lot. Remember the case of the woman who had bleach forced down her throat and was beaten with a baseball bat?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cricketer-spared-jail-judge-not-vulnerable-victim-bat-bleach-wife-a7652771.html

Judge Mansell heard that Mr Bashir had hit his 33-year-old wife Fakhara Karim with a cricket bat during a jealous outburst, and on a separate occasion held the 33-year-old by the neck, poured bleach down her throat and forced her to take tablets while ordering to kill herself.

Ms Karim reportedly told the court how her confidence was crushed by her jealous lover, who berated her for wearing westernised clothes and called her friends “English slag girls”.

But the judge said he did not believe the 33-year-old receptionist was vulnerable because she was “an intelligent woman with a network of friends” and had a university degree.

Oh God yes Eresh I remember that, it was so fucked up.

The thing is that women who reach the courts are by definition "strong". The court system is not designed for the weak woman - most women never even get to that point.

To take it that far (especially in the case of coercion which is difficult to prove) means that she simply has to be stronger than most. To leave a marriage like that makes you strong.

of course women who have been subjected to abuse are strong - they have to be.

So the women who are strong enough to get to have their say in court are now being told they are too strong to be there...

I too have a degree and stayed in an emotionally abusive marriage for 16 years - I had to be strong to endure that. I'm proud of being strong enough to leave. To be told I must be broken in order to prove my abuse is heartbreaking...

Some of the women who aren't 'strong' enough to leave don't have the luxury of taking it to court...

Sorry I wrote baseball bat instead of cricket. My bad.

Rememberatime exactly.

Sorry, I'm confused. Can someone write a list of acceptable ways for a victim to behave? Maybe we need a chart so women can stop wasting their time before going to the police.

"sexy" pants. No go.

Big pants. No go. Probably repressed and wanted it but changed her mind.

Strong. No go.

Frail, upset, crying. No go (not reliable!)

Angry (man hater!)

Anyone left?

Yes, if the police and court system could make a listicle that would be very handy.

This reminds me of something that happened to me. 100% less serious, not comparable at all. But when my dad died, less than a week after the funeral I lost my temper because I was drowning under everything. A mountain of shot landed on me because I was “fine”. Not fine at all, I was internalising a world of pain so that I could carry on and look after everyone else.
That’s what this woman is experiencing, head down, shoulder forward to the burden and keep moving. She’s unpicking her whole entire life and if she’s anythung like me, keeping a tight lid on it. Eventually though the pressure is too much. Does she get to go back to court when she can’t cope? Will he be fling in jail for more years when suddenly her life spins out of control.
I wonder where judges come from some times.

'Its no different to saying it's not rape she didn't scream.'

Giles - you've totally nailed it.

Lused - sorry to cross-post

Can’t be a victims because the is too strong?

What a steaming 🤬

The very principle of sentencing someone based on the effect on the victim seems utterly ludicrous, anyway. Regardless of whether the victim is fragile or resilient, the crime is exactly the same. Does any rapist or violent assailant first make a moral assessment where they think, "I'll attack this woman because she's quite strong and won't be too badly affected by it?" Of course they bloody don't.

And in any case it should be obvious that someone who appears resilient on the outside might feel utterly destroyed on the inside.

That's awful!

Might be worth complaining and asking them to look at the judgment/sentence again.

I know this is something that can be done by any member of the public as someone posted a link previously on a different thread. If they get lots of responses I think they're more likely to look at it again.

It's the Office of the Attorney General and I think it's the Unduly Lenient Sentence Scheme. IIRC, you've 28 days from sentencing to make a complaint that they look at it again.

This is so fucked up.
Women are not considered to be vulnerable unless completely broken or dead, yet males who claim womanhood are somehow the most vulnerable people on the fucking planet!

Misogyny rules.