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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

#BristolUniWomen Shami Chakrabarti event tonight

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iLevictoiChete · 22/11/2018 18:09

Women & Equality - the next 100 years.

Any other mumsnetters going?

It's going to be Facebook livestreamed apparently.

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frogintheTyne · 23/11/2018 16:56

It's an extremely sinister comment for someone in her position to make.

She surely didn't understand the connotations...???

Melamin · 23/11/2018 17:03

I would be surprised if she didn't. It would be a very peculiar way of expressing it, if she was actually trying to elicit sympathy for the cause.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/11/2018 17:35

She did a q&a session on here and I through she was rather dismissive of concerns. forget the topic but I asked a reasonable q and got the ‘Corbin response’ - tut tutted at and dismissed like a naughty schoolgirl. A tad of a right on Doris.

She’s been off my Christmas card list ever since.

frogintheTyne · 23/11/2018 17:37

But why would she choose such a phrase if she truly understood how it would be interpreted - to deliberately wind people up? It's too blatantly an aggressive message for someone in her position to consider using.

She must have heard the analogy at some training session and thought - oh, I like that, people will get that...and is repeating it without getting the undercurrent of meaning. Surely......!? ( otherwise it's appalling!)

Ereshkigal · 23/11/2018 18:12

That's a proper nasty woman hating TRA expression. Even the other handmaidens don't usually use it.

ThereGoesTheAlarmRinging · 23/11/2018 18:20

The new witch finder general, she just ensured I will not be voting for any Labour candidate.

BitOfFun · 23/11/2018 18:35

Do you have a link to the Facebook video, please?

OrchidInTheSun · 23/11/2018 18:48

Shami has always always been a political animal with a veneer of giving a shit. She is all about feathering her own nest

welshbookworm · 23/11/2018 21:29

Except that it is normal for asylum seekers to go through checks before they are accepted and have full rights. And even then there is a period before they are granted full citizenship.

can't just turn up and self-ID, in the same way that you should not be able to self-ID as a woman.

This absolutely nails it for me. The refusal of TRAs to acknowledge the need for a rigorous process before allowing something as important as a legal change of sex shows that they aren't aiming for acceptance but takeover.

ProfessoressWoland · 26/11/2018 11:40

The video is now up on en-gb.facebook.com/bristoluniversity/

You can watch without a Facebook account.

ProfessoressWoland · 26/11/2018 11:45

The GRA/TRA discussion starts around 1:20:00.

CecilyNeville · 26/11/2018 12:34

Notable that Shami didn't get any applause for her comments though, unlike the woman posing the question, and the panelist whose response preceded hers. It was a tasteless response, and makes you question who she follows and listens to on this issue, as we all know who that expression is usually directed at, and by whom.

aroundanothercorner · 26/11/2018 16:33

I've had it on good authority before now that she's a fully paid up KoolAid drinker and influencing those around her.

I didn't realise SC is the shadow attorney general...so huge influence in Labour and across Commons & Lords.

Ereshkigal · 26/11/2018 16:36

Did she use the DIAF line? Can't watch right now.

AutumnCrow · 26/11/2018 16:59

Is she quite well?

That report she did on anti-semitism was woeful.

ProfessoressWoland · 26/11/2018 17:51

Shami's response to the GC comment and criticism of the shenanigans at the Free Speech Society (I wrote before that it was another panel member, but it was actually someone from the audience):

"I know that this is a very sensitive issue for a lot of people, and I'm going to plug my book now, cause I try to… Of Women in the 21st Century… (shows her book)
How can I put it - I am not the sex police. I don't want to police the borders between these segregated sexes and I'm not going to say to any refugee or migrant to my sex that you don't belong over here. And you know what, if you lock the house too tightly, you might just die in the fire. And what I want is not to be more segregated but to be less so, and I want us, in the end, to all be human. And I know there are difficult issues around the transition to that place we're heading to, but let's try to have the conversations in a different climate, and when we do disagree let's just please all try and disagree with sensitivity and disagree well."

She paused for a moment before she said "you might just die in the fire". Not saying she meant it like that, but it's a notable pause so she clearly considered her words carefully.

bellinisurge · 26/11/2018 17:59

Hope someone asks why she stood back and let that anti-Semitic twat speak when she was at the launch of Jezza's "report" into anti-Semitism in Labour Party.

Ereshkigal · 26/11/2018 18:13

As a metaphor it's jarring. You would say "if you lock the house too tight you might become trapped in a fire" I think she meant to use those specific words.

Annandale · 26/11/2018 22:27

The flaw in the argument being that what women are concerned about is not migrants, but sex tourists.

And if I as a woman let absolutely anyone into my house who said they lived there and then got assaulted or robbed, I think most people would consider my behaviour foolish, if not culpable.

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