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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sussex University new policy statement

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/11/2018 09:52

Sussex University have a new Trans and Non-Binary Equality Policy Statement, found here:

www.sussex.ac.uk/webteam/gateway/file.php?name=trans-and-non-binary-equality-policy-statement.pdf&site=369

The University of Sussex recognises that there can be differences between physical sex and gender identity/expression. We will at no time discriminate against people on the grounds of their gender
identity or gender expression. Where this policy refers to ‘trans people’, it has in mind a broad range of people whose gender identity is not expressed in ways that are typically associated with their assigned sex at birth. This includes those who have non-binary, non-gender or genderfluid identities.

We celebrate and value the diversity of our workforce, and believe that we will benefit from employing trans people at all levels of responsibility, thus hoping to provide role models for students who identify as trans. We will treat all employees and students with respect, and seek to provide a positive working and learning environment free from discrimination, harassment or victimisation. In doing this we undertake the following.

= Students will not be denied access to courses, progression to other courses, or fair and equal treatment while on courses because of their gender identity or gender expression.

= Requests to change name and gender on records will be handled promptly and staff and students will be made aware of any implications of the changes.

= The curriculum shall not rely on or reinforce stereotypical assumptions about trans people, and any materials within relevant courses and modules will positively represent trans people and trans lives.

= We will respect the confidentiality of all trans staff and students and will not reveal information without the prior agreement of the individual.

= Staff will not be excluded from employment or promotion because of their gender identity or gender expression.

= Transphobic abuse, harassment or bullying (name-calling/ derogatory jokes, unacceptable or unwanted behaviour, intrusive questions) are serious disciplinary offences for staff and students and will be dealt with under the appropriate University procedures.

= Transphobic propaganda, in the form of written materials, graffiti, music or speeches, will not be tolerated. We undertake to remove any such propaganda whenever it appears on the premises.

= We will provide a supportive environment for staff and students who wish their trans status to be known. However, it is the right of the individual to choose whether they wish to be open about their
gender identity, gender expression, trans status or trans history. To ‘out’ someone, whether staff or student, without their permission is a form of harassment and, in a number of contexts may amount
to a criminal offence.

= We will include gender identity and gender expression issues in equality training.

= We welcome, and will provide appropriate facilities for, trans student and staff groups.

= In providing accommodation for students, any concerns or issues raised by trans students will be handled by the accommodation office and will be treated fairly and in line with our obligations under
equality law.

= Staff and students undergoing medical and surgical procedures related to gender reassignment will receive positive support from the University to meet their particular needs during this period.

= We recognise that trans staff and students come from diverse backgrounds, and will strive to ensure they do not face discrimination on the grounds of their gender identity or gender expression or in
relation to other aspects of their identity, for example, their race, age, religion or belief, disability or sexual orientation. In addition, assumptions will not be made about the gender identity or gender
expression of partners of trans staff or students.

= We will ensure that our environment, in terms of our pictures, images, publicity materials and literature, reflects the diversity of our staff and students.

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slug · 21/11/2018 10:32

= The curriculum shall not rely on or reinforce stereotypical assumptions about trans people, and any materials within relevant courses and modules will positively represent trans people and trans lives.

Well that violates the principle of academic freedom. How are they going to police it? How are they going to teach their law students about conflicting interests if they are not allowed to mention trans criminals?

I would love to see the policy that affords the same protections to other protected characteristics. Do women get to have only positive representation for example? How about religious beliefs?

I notice they don't mention sex when it comes to protected characteristics (again!)

Floisme · 21/11/2018 10:38

Yes I would love to know whether their English department promotes novels that reinforce stereotypical assumptions about women?

VickyEadie · 21/11/2018 10:40

"Transphobic propaganda, in the form of written materials, graffiti, music or speeches, will not be tolerated"

I'd be interested in their definition of "transphobic propaganda", given that merely to discuss issues is usually deemed "transphobic" by most activists. Let alone have the temerity to have the opinion that TW are not W.

Popchyk · 21/11/2018 10:44

any materials within relevant courses and modules will positively represent trans people and trans lives

So any discussion about Karen White must be in positive terms about Karen White?

MrsWooster · 21/11/2018 10:47

Once again, the list of protected characteristics doesn't mention sex. However: accommodation eg will be "treated fairly and in line with our obligations under equality law." Since sex IS protected under EL, they are stating that they cannot and will not ignore obligations to women requiring single sex accommodation. It's unlikely but could they be treading a very finely nuanced line..?

ErrolTheDragon · 21/11/2018 10:47

The University of Sussex recognises that there can be differences between physical sex and gender identity/expression.

I'm sure there are TRAs who'll find that statement outrageously transphobic.

crsacre · 21/11/2018 11:03

Sussex statement is taken from Equality Challenge Unit's template:
www.ecu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Trans-equality-policy-statement.pdf

ErrolTheDragon · 21/11/2018 11:10

It's unlikely but could they be treading a very finely nuanced line..?

They might be.

Much of that statement, if you do the 'substitute trans/transphobic by black/racist' test, is entirely reasonable.

crsacre · 21/11/2018 11:10

Actually Sussex is more aggressively phrased.

Equality Challenge Unit:
The curriculum shall not rely on or reinforce stereotypical assumptions about trans people, and any materials within relevant courses and modules will positively represent trans people and trans lives.

Sussex:
The curriculum will be checked to ensure that it does not rely on or reinforce stereotypical assumptions about trans people, and that it contains material that positively represents trans people and trans lives.

hackmum · 21/11/2018 11:11

any materials within relevant courses and modules will positively represent trans people and trans lives

This is so utterly bizarre. Are they really so stupid that they can't see how ridiculous this is? Are they going to extend it to every minority group or marginalised group? Will English students no longer be allowed to study Richard III because of the negative representation of a disabled person? Or is it just trans people who get the kid glove treatment?

Is Professor Stock on the case yet?

arranfan · 21/11/2018 11:11

Staff and students undergoing medical and surgical procedures related to gender reassignment will receive positive support from the University to meet their particular needs during this period.

They might want to examine any potential conflicts with other legislation that have been created by intersections:

Under section 22 of the 2004 act, it is a criminal offence for a person who has obtained 'protected information' in an official capacity to disclose that information to any other person. Protected information includes a person's application for legal recognition of their acquired gender or, if they have legal recognition, their gender history.

The Employment Lawyers Association says a section 22 breach does not require the disclosure to be malicious or intended to harm the trans person: 'Indeed the disclosure may be with the express intention of helping the trans person (and indeed may in fact help them) but would still amount to a criminal offence.'

The association provides a hypothetical example of an HR manager, helping a trans person applying for a job, who may need to disclose the applicant's gender history to their supervisor as part of a request that the interview panel does not know about the applicant's gender history.

www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/gender-recognition-act-reforms-could-criminalise-innocent-staff/5068055.article

uglyandlovingit · 21/11/2018 11:14

So, if teaching about the Soham murders, Ian Huntley will need to be presented in a positive light?!? All the bad things he did won't be mentioned?

This is outrageous! 

arranfan · 21/11/2018 11:18

Prof Stock and Julie Bindel agree with the concerns of PPs:

As bindelj has just astutely pointed out to me, this looks rather like Section 28 for radfems and gender critical feminists

twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1065164445243113472

HomeStar · 21/11/2018 11:26

I think this change in the Sussex policy is a positive one from an academic perspective:

"any materials within relevant courses and modules will positively represent trans people and trans lives."

has been changed to

"[the curriculum] contains material that positively represents trans people and trans lives."

The first one seems to imply that any negative representation of trans people and their lives is against the rules! Even the TRA talk of suicide risks would be verboten if you took that literally. Sussex just requires positive representation to be included, which is perfectly reasonable.

But the line about relying on or reinforcing negative stereotypes is disconcerting. Does that mean that e.g. autogynephilia can't be discussed because it's a negative stereotype?

Danaquestionseverything · 21/11/2018 11:28

So wait. It's getting late here. Please tell me I'm misconstruing this. This is a statement from the the university? Actual revised policy? Not some overzealous social media intern repping for a student union?

What the everlovin f*ck!?

HomeStar · 21/11/2018 11:31

ugh - sorry, I see that the change the Sussex version made was actually in the opposite direction.

From the very reasonable requirement for some positive representation, to the completely insane requirement for any material that's included to be a positive representation.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/11/2018 11:34

But the line about relying on or reinforcing negative stereotypes is disconcerting. Does that mean that e.g. autogynephilia can't be discussed because it's a negative stereotype?

Stereotypes are always a bad thing, aren't they? Discussing AGP accurately as a real phenomenon exhibited by some people - including some men who don't ID as trans - shouldn't be barred by that, should it?

GCAcademic · 21/11/2018 11:34

I teach seminars where we examine racist policies during the British Raj, policies which were very much underpinned by negative, stereotypical assumptions about Indian people. Interesting that no one is clamouring for those classes to be banned, and that the students of South Asian origin who I've taught this material to so far have coped just fine, and engaged well in discussions about it. There seems to be something uniquely fragile about trans people.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/11/2018 11:38

Examining the effects of negative stereotypes is surely a totally different matter to relying on them on them or reinforcing them.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 21/11/2018 11:41

Will they be burning all their biology textbooks too?

HomeStar · 21/11/2018 11:44

Stereotypes are always a bad thing, aren't they? Discussing AGP accurately as a real phenomenon exhibited by some people - including some men who don't ID as trans - shouldn't be barred by that, should it?

I hope so. But a lot of TRAs object to women discussing the risks of self-ID using the line that women are reinforcing stereotypes of transwomen as sexual predators. It's disconcerting the policy uses that same language. TRAs would certainly like to engineer a situation where accurately discussing crime statistics, or even accurately discussing actual events such as the Karen White clusterfuck, is now off the table because "reinforcing stereotypes."

Ditto with discussing AGP, lots of TRAs hate the very mention of the concept even though it's blatantly obvious that it's a factor in some transitions. Whoops, turns out you're reinforcing stereotypes, now you have to shut up.

Danaquestionseverything · 21/11/2018 11:45

GCAcademic

Frankly it appears to not so much be fragility. More like full blown narcissism. Although since you're the academic you're probably better qualified to judge that than I am Grin.

Angryresister · 21/11/2018 11:47

So sticker woman not welcome in those hallowed halls then? Bloody nonsense.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/11/2018 11:47

I'd take the view that academics shouldn't be relying on or reinforcing any stereotypes at all, whether negative or positive about anyone... they should be relying on evidence and statistics. I can't see how anyone could object to that particular part of the policy.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/11/2018 11:49

Xpost.... obviously there could be a problem if the policy is misapplied. But that doesn't make the policy wrong.

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