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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sussex University new policy statement

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/11/2018 09:52

Sussex University have a new Trans and Non-Binary Equality Policy Statement, found here:

www.sussex.ac.uk/webteam/gateway/file.php?name=trans-and-non-binary-equality-policy-statement.pdf&site=369

The University of Sussex recognises that there can be differences between physical sex and gender identity/expression. We will at no time discriminate against people on the grounds of their gender
identity or gender expression. Where this policy refers to ‘trans people’, it has in mind a broad range of people whose gender identity is not expressed in ways that are typically associated with their assigned sex at birth. This includes those who have non-binary, non-gender or genderfluid identities.

We celebrate and value the diversity of our workforce, and believe that we will benefit from employing trans people at all levels of responsibility, thus hoping to provide role models for students who identify as trans. We will treat all employees and students with respect, and seek to provide a positive working and learning environment free from discrimination, harassment or victimisation. In doing this we undertake the following.

= Students will not be denied access to courses, progression to other courses, or fair and equal treatment while on courses because of their gender identity or gender expression.

= Requests to change name and gender on records will be handled promptly and staff and students will be made aware of any implications of the changes.

= The curriculum shall not rely on or reinforce stereotypical assumptions about trans people, and any materials within relevant courses and modules will positively represent trans people and trans lives.

= We will respect the confidentiality of all trans staff and students and will not reveal information without the prior agreement of the individual.

= Staff will not be excluded from employment or promotion because of their gender identity or gender expression.

= Transphobic abuse, harassment or bullying (name-calling/ derogatory jokes, unacceptable or unwanted behaviour, intrusive questions) are serious disciplinary offences for staff and students and will be dealt with under the appropriate University procedures.

= Transphobic propaganda, in the form of written materials, graffiti, music or speeches, will not be tolerated. We undertake to remove any such propaganda whenever it appears on the premises.

= We will provide a supportive environment for staff and students who wish their trans status to be known. However, it is the right of the individual to choose whether they wish to be open about their
gender identity, gender expression, trans status or trans history. To ‘out’ someone, whether staff or student, without their permission is a form of harassment and, in a number of contexts may amount
to a criminal offence.

= We will include gender identity and gender expression issues in equality training.

= We welcome, and will provide appropriate facilities for, trans student and staff groups.

= In providing accommodation for students, any concerns or issues raised by trans students will be handled by the accommodation office and will be treated fairly and in line with our obligations under
equality law.

= Staff and students undergoing medical and surgical procedures related to gender reassignment will receive positive support from the University to meet their particular needs during this period.

= We recognise that trans staff and students come from diverse backgrounds, and will strive to ensure they do not face discrimination on the grounds of their gender identity or gender expression or in
relation to other aspects of their identity, for example, their race, age, religion or belief, disability or sexual orientation. In addition, assumptions will not be made about the gender identity or gender
expression of partners of trans staff or students.

= We will ensure that our environment, in terms of our pictures, images, publicity materials and literature, reflects the diversity of our staff and students.

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HomeStar · 21/11/2018 12:00

I think that a policy which has such potential to be misapplied should probably have been rewritten with less vague wording if the intention behind it is truly benign. It's always going to be possible for TRAs to argue that facts and evidence, or discussions of safeguarding, are "reinforcing negative stereotypes."

Nigauche · 21/11/2018 14:53

I am sad to say that this is my employer. This new policy makes me very anxious, and the issue is academic freedom. (Nobody should be discriminated against, that's not the question. Sex is not included in the listed additional characteristics that should not form grounds for discrimination because presumably this does not apply to transgender students.)

Who exactly is to say which modules are 'relevant'? Who is to say what is a 'positive representation of trans lives'? Since when are our teaching materials under scrutiny? What are 'inappropriate questions'?

This is so very over the top and heavy handed. Time to look for another job?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/11/2018 14:59

I'd love to see how they'd positively frame Challenor senior...

Bowlofbabelfish · 21/11/2018 15:07

I saw a really good article a while back about how the ‘perpetually offended and fragile’ stance was actually highly aggressive. I wish I could find it.

Popchyk · 21/11/2018 15:08

How are they defining "transphobic propaganda" exactly?

So, for example, someone saying that human beings cannot change sex will not be tolerated?

Imnobody4 · 21/11/2018 15:12

Why is a special policy statement needed for trans people. Shouldn't there be a blanket policy to cover all groups in the Equalities Act?

ImmortalityMyDarlings · 21/11/2018 15:21

Lady Justice:
twitter.com/radfemlawyer/status/1065188400075104256?s=21
“Universities in this country need to be mindful of their legal duty to secure freedom of speech on campuses. This duty comes under s.43 of the Education Act 1986, which requires them to devise and adhere to a code of practice in this area.”

ErrolTheDragon · 21/11/2018 15:24

I'd love to see how they'd positively frame Challenor senior...

He wasn't trans, was he?...anyone who didn't understand the context already would probably infer you meant he was. I think you might have (accidentally, assuming readers here do know the context) provided an example of the sort of thing which might constitute 'transphobic propaganda'.

IdaBWells · 21/11/2018 15:29

I graduated from Sussex but I would never send any of my three teenagers there now.

They are getting a reputation for the ridiculous.

arranfan · 21/11/2018 15:30

He wasn't trans, was he?

Does DC not fall under the Stonewall definition given that DC allegedly had a role as a girl when conducting the torture of the victim? (I've no idea if that identity was used in any other context but if P Bunce can use fluidity to move in and out of identities I'm baffled as to why DC would not qualify similarly. Tho' I'm now feeling so out of my depth that this is exactly the sort of thing that needs rigorous discussion in a some quarters, that might include universities.)

arranfan · 21/11/2018 16:19

Good commentary in a thread by Jonny Best. Best's acute observations include this:

As trans is personal identity and political ideology combined, and separation of the two is impossible, this policy opens the door to complaints against any academic or student who refuses to toe the ideological line. Stonewall's definitions facilitate this.

twitter.com/JonnnyBest/status/1065246032798392322

Bittermints · 21/11/2018 16:27

Stonewall's definition

TRANS
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

By my reading, a biological male who regularly adopts the persona of a 5yo girl would fit into that definition of trans. Almost anybody would, actually. We now learn from Jean Hatchet (see other thread on this board) that the batshittest of the TRAs consider it transphobic that T*s don't like lipstick and high heels.

Crazy times.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/11/2018 16:28

He wasn't trans, was he?...anyone who didn't understand the context already would probably infer you meant he was

He was. He identified as a girl called Lucy whilst the abuse took place.

Bittermints · 21/11/2018 16:31

Apologies to the TRAs. Now I've checked the phrase is:

“T*s hate lipstick and high heels and that’s actually quite misogynistic” .. Hmm

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 21/11/2018 16:37

What is their disability policy? Or policies on sex, race, religion equality/prejudice?

For the 3 actual transsexuals and 50 bandwagon jumpers on the staff and student body - isn’t it all an awful lot of effort and emphasis?

I’ve never seen so much effort out into keeping women safe and represented.

Hullabalooo · 21/11/2018 16:41

Just about to apply for a job there. Thinking that ill end up getting fired for my views if i get it. Feels sinister

truthtopower · 21/11/2018 16:53

= In providing accommodation for students, any concerns or issues raised by trans students will be handled by the accommodation office and will be treated fairly and in line with our obligations under
equality law.

Does that mean female students might be sharing single sex accommodation with transwomen?

Bowlofbabelfish · 21/11/2018 17:28

Will they disbanding the biology department or just transporting them en masse to the gulag?

Materialist · 21/11/2018 17:34

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miri1985 · 21/11/2018 18:12

I assume this means that they would take the same position as Bath Spa University with regards to a thesis topic like that of James Caspian.

2rebecca · 21/11/2018 18:35

Why are some universities desperate to win woke uni of the year award? There are far far more non trans and gender critical staff and students than TRAs. Do they not see the silent majority?

I don't understand why some universities seem to be falling over themselves to put off any one who thinks for themselves and doesn't want to be brainwashed and "cised". Oxford, Edinburgh, Bath and now Sussex. There are probably more but it does seem daft that places supposed to encourage critical thinking show so little of it when people claim to be born in the wrong bodies.

MrsWooster · 21/11/2018 18:41

truth
Thats the bit that made me wonder about nuanced arse covering: a tw requesting accomodation with women will be handled by the accom office in line with Equality Law, not wifty wafty policies. The law says proprtionate means to legit aim and women wanting single sex accomodation is a legitimate aim. The transwoman, even if they had a grc (unlikely at uni) could be offered alternative accomodation.

MrsWooster · 21/11/2018 18:43

I fully accept, btw, that its far more likely that the university has just waded blindly into a woke nonsense and thrown women under the campus bus!

FatherBuzzCagney · 21/11/2018 18:44

Oxford, 2rebecca? I know a tiny handful of students were being self-righteous twats about Jenni Murray, but that's not the same as the university itself. I really can't see the university going all Sussex thought police on trans or any other issue.

The Sussex policy is so outrageous that, as an academic, I'm certainly not going to engage with them until they have a rethink about this restriction on academic freedom. So, no going to any conferences held at Sussex, no speaking at events there, no external examining. I hope others do the same.

KenDoddsDadsDogsDead18 · 21/11/2018 18:51

Can it be assumed that critical analysis that may be inferred as negative, is still acceptable outside of work? Eg crime stats tweet by Kathleen Stock yesterday? What I'm really asking is does this effectively silence her now, if she wants to keep her job?

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