Paris Green

[SarahJane73]

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/transgender-murderer-paris-green-to-have-reassignment-surgery-on-nhs-hl80fnl7k

"Green began her sentence at Cornton Vale women’s prison in Stirling but was moved after reports that she had had sex with other prisoners in her cell. She is now held in a women’s wing at Edinburgh prison."

Eh? How does that solve the problem?

Green is male and has 'identified as a woman' since 2011.

Green and two associates lured Mr Shankland back to Green’s flat in March 2013

Times: She was jailed for life and ordered to serve at least 18 years in prison in November 2013 after she was found guilty of murder at the High Court in Edinburgh. Green and two accomplices lured Robert Shankland, 45, to her flat, tied him up and tortured him for hours, beating him so badly that they left a footprint on his neck. They also sexually assaulted him with a rolling pin.

Judge John Morris said at the trial: “It beggars belief you could act towards another human in this way. You left the victim, even in death, without any dignity.”

Scottish Sun:
"In 2013 she was moved from Corton Vale women’s prison, near Stirling, after reports of “inappropriate behaviour” with women at the jail.

In January 2017, screws were forced to send her back to the men’s wing when she ignored them and kept hooking up with her fellow prisoners."

Telegraph:
"Green, 27, was found guilty of murder and jailed for life in 2013 after she tortured, sexually assaulted and beat a man to death with two accomplices.

Since being incarcerated, Green from Glenrothes, Fife, has been removed from a women’s prison for sexually assaulting other inmates."

The charity Women in Prison (WIP) would not comment on this specific case, however it said: “WIP respects the right of any individual to transition. Drawing on our experience in providing support, we recognise the significant difficulties that this often involves.

“We support the right of transgender people to access services that meet their needs.”

Interestingly, I think from memory TELI/Stephen Whittle/Tara Hewitt were signposting to Women In Prison Charity to comment at the time of discussion about Karen White's conviction

Daily Mail:
Mr Shankland’s sister, Pauline Bell, 46, said: ‘[Green] should not be getting the operation on the NHS. It’s not lifesaving treatment. [Green] took somebody’s life away and destroyed a family.

‘[Green] destroyed my mum’s life and now [Green] is being given this treatment so she can feel better?

Mr Shankland’s mother, Mary, 74, said: ‘Green doesn’t know the meaning of the word remorse. [Green] shouldn’t get the operation, especially when so many people need vital treatment on the NHS – and they’re not getting it. But the authorities are jumping through hoops for [Green].’

Prisons have a statutory duty of care to keep women in prison safe - is that sufficiently reflected in current prison policy?

James Morton from Scottish Trans Alliance helped write the equality and human rights impact assessment on transgender inclusion in prisons.

The impact assessment did not consider the impact on women at all.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/equality_and_human_rights_impact

We are paying for a murderer to change their sex.

My read of it is that kept having sex with women inmates almost certainly = kept raping women inmates

Papers being a bit coy abuot it

Ok. Here’s a radical idea.

Put convicted rapists into women’s prisons AFTER they have been castrated.

Problem solved.

Ok. Here’s a radical idea.

Or keep prisons single sex, as they are intended to be?

With better targetted provision and specialised support for prisoners (or both sexes) who have additional needs eg pregnancy, mental health, addiction, gender identity, affected by abuse, low literacy levels etc.

How on earth could any have thought that putting this person in a women's prison, sharing a cell with women, was a good idea?????

WT ACTUAL Fuck????

I had to read that twice to clarify he was male.

Karen White mark 2.

Not a isolated case.,

How many more makes are in women's jails?

Where are the stats?

*males

I can't get over the fact that apparently Paris SHARED A CELL with female prisoners. I'm actually so flabbergasted I'm doing tabloid capitals.

I wish I were flabbergasted. I'm not though, this was entirely predictable and doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

We are paying for a murderer to change their sex.

Humans can't change sex.
The convicted murderer is having plastic surgery, likely being prescribed medication and supplied with specific articles of clothing, toiletries associated with female stereotypes etc which has been deemed neccessary for them to allieviate the dysphoria they have been diagnosed as experiencing.
Additionally the prison service is housing them in the female estate (they are male) and staff etc will be obliged to use she/her pronouns and ensure that this prisoner is not treated in ways which may be deemed 'transphobic'

As long as the first bit of surgery is removal of functioning penis.....

The Telegraph article states:

"Since being incarcerated, Green from Glenrothes, Fife, has been removed from a women’s prison for sexually assaulting other inmates."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/19/trans-murderer-serving-life-will-receive-80k-gender-reassignment/

Meanwhile, pregnant prisoners have been left alone to give birth and menstruating prisoners don’t have adequate provision of pads and tampons.

I wonder if Richard Garside has spoken about the lovely Paris?
At least he is on our side.

Why is the charity Women in Prison (WIP) not standing up for female prisoners?
Are they unable to due to asserting that TWAW?

from the Telegraph,
“WIP respects the right of any individual to transition. Drawing on our experience in providing support, we recognise the significant difficulties that this often involves.

“We support the right of transgender people to access services that meet their needs.”

From WIP website, "Why only women?

Women in Prison is a women-only organisation. This means that all staff and volunteers are women. We provide women-only services and campaign for a recognition and response to the distinct needs of women affected by the criminal justice system.

The previous life experiences of women prisoners and ex-prisoners make the need for women-only spaces and services more acute. The lives of women in prison are often characterised by sexual abuse, gender-based violence, mental illness, poverty, educational under-attainment, poor housing and substance misuse. These experiences are compounded by experiences of prison - a system based on disempowerment and control.

Experience shows that women-only support is necessary to provide a safe, positive and empowering response to the discrimination and inequality women experience in the criminal justice system and throughout their lives.

Achieving equality does not mean treating everyone exactly the same; equality of experience and outcomes sometimes require diversity of provision. Programmes to support prisoners’ resettlement will disadvantage women if they do not respond to the distinct root causes of women’s offending."
www.womeninprison.org.uk/about/who-we-are.php

If anyone hasn't signed the petition about reviewing the rules on TG offenders in women's prisons yet, please take a moment to go over to the Petitions and Activism board where there's 8 or 9 threads containing the link. (Can't put a link in here or else this thread too may get shuffled off there)

Some interesting details amongst the trustees of WIP which suggest they may well assert TWAW:

www.womeninprison.org.uk/staff/trustees.php

Errol I think you can link when its incidentally relevent to a thread.

I didn't think I could peak any more. But I have.

When is the parliamentary debate or questions or what ever it is? I thought there was going to be something soon specifically relating to women's prisons?

Yeah keep using f word, so helpful

Ah well, just goes to show that the NHS (and prison service) have oodles of money swilling about for vanity projects.

I'm actually pretty livid about this, and can't articulate my anger without getting banned. Anyone else have a close family member on a waiting list for actual serious illness surgery? Wtf is going on with the priorities in this shithole of a country?

The quote from the prison officer is very good though. Bravo to them for saying it how it is

"Since being incarcerated, Green from Glenrothes, Fife, has been removed from a women’s prison for sexually assaulting other inmates

But this never happens.

Until it does. More than once (see the reference to multiple inmateS)