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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is this normal for a woman or is it gender dysphoria?

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cockBlocker · 15/11/2018 21:52

Forgive me the following description is stating the obvious for some of you, but I wanted to post this to encourage a discussion about how women experience their own bodies. Like other women here, one of the numerous objections I have to the term ‘cis’ is that I have never felt comfortable with gender norms or my own body and have no innate sense of being female.

Even as a small child I hated being cooed over simply because I had long blonde hair. I felt reduced to little more than a doll and always wondered why my hair should matter, it was so trivial. I asked to get my hair cut off but my mother wouldn’t let me. I hated that I had to be a bridesmaid, being paraded around in a ridiculous dress – even though I was only around eleven, I still felt dehumanised, being shown off as a thing rather than a person. Similar was having to wear a skirt for Sunday School, I didn’t see why God would care if I had a skirt on or not. I hated it in Brownies too, I wanted to be active and not worry about whether I was showing my pants or not. I hated that I wasn’t allowed to have ‘boys toys’ like a chemistry set because I was told it was dangerous.

I’ve never been overweight, but as soon as my body started to develop I felt fat. When I was a teenager I developed bulimia and it’s something I’ve struggled with on and off ever since. I hate when my stomach bloats up to three times it’s normal size when I’m due to get my period so I can grab handfuls of flesh around my middle. I have a fairly slim but curvy body, and I feel that it attracts the kind of men I don’t want to attract, it somehow makes them assume that I’m stereotypically feminine in my interests or a bimbo, inferior in every possible way. I hate it when I find men staring at my tits rather than listening to me. I also hate it when you get looked up and down by women, as happens often when you’re walking down the street minding your own business. The sad thing is I’m sure I do it too, we get programmed to monitor each other and make sure no woman steps out of place with what she’s wearing or how she’s behaving – not too confident in her own body, covered up enough etc. I try to dismantle this and smile at women I pass on the street now (when I’m not being a miserable git), I want things to change.

I feel like I had to learn how to like heterosexual sex. The thought of a man’s ejaculate to be honest still does make me feel a bit sick. I do enjoy sex, but the submissive nature of it for a woman and the way it reduces me to just a body at times repulses me.

I hate the way that relatives and friends’ parents feel it their place to comment on my body – my weight, the straightness of my legs, my posture. One of my ex-boyfriend’s mothers seemed to size me up like a prize cow, assessing my health as a potential breeder. I realise this might be a bold thing to say on Mumsnet, but I’ve never wanted to have children. I have a recurring nightmare that I am pregnant, I wake up in a cold sweat. It’s the thought of feeling trapped by my body, as much as the way I feel society would view me as a purely physical being existing only to bring other life into the world rather than in my own right (please note that this isn’t how I see mothers myself).

I hate when I go to the gym that the idiot men in there look at me lifting the heaviest weights I can with a smarmy look, as if they’re comparing themselves to me and getting an ego boost, thinking how pathetic I am. I hate being grabbed around my waist as though I’m a man’s f*ing property and sexualised as a ‘thing’ before they’ve even spoken to me.

I was wondering how many other women feel the way I do? When a young teen I wondered if I was gay, even though that’s never been my orientation. I said many times whilst growing up that I wanted to be a boy, but being transgender wasn’t on the radar back then. I have no idea how I would feel about it if I was growing up now, it seems like it would be ten times worse.

I hope no-one minds me posting this. I’ve never really talked about just how uncomfortable I feel in my own body with anyone before, so I honestly don’t know if what I’m describing is extreme or very common. I feel genuinely deeply distressed how women are being redefined by transgender ideology as supposedly comfortable in their own bodies, as it is something I have struggled with my entire life and it continues daily. As a reaction to this, I’m currently rethinking how to present myself as more androgynous by cutting my hair off and wearing more masculine clothes. I can’t stand the idea of gender norms being reinforced any more than they already are, I feel trapped.

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VerbeenaBeeks · 17/11/2018 16:28

I would suggest that a lot of women on here have been through similar. It seems to me that there's something about this conversation that makes you feel uncomfortable and so you're trying to invalidate our experiences by being dismissive as a way to deal with it

Not trying to invalidate your experience at all, sorry if anything I might have said has made you feel that way. You did say is this normal for a woman to feel, and asked people.
Other women saying no, I have never identified with anything in your OP isn't invalidating you. Just saying their woman experience is different.
Which is what you wanted to know, I think, whether some do feel differently? You wanted people to "discuss how women experience their own body."
So people have, we're not all the same.

cockBlocker · 17/11/2018 16:42

LassWiADelicateAir -
Having a different opinion or experience is not invidating yours. You seem to want everyone or a majority to say the same as you.

I repeat, again, that I don't object to you having an opinion, I do object to belittling those of others and calling them 'self-obsessed' because you don't like what they're saying, if anything you sound self-obsessed and lacking empathy for thinking everyone should adhere to your own standards.

Perhaps it is more difficult for women to just get on with it and ignore the sexism that pervades society on account of having been victims of sexual or physical violence at the hands of men, making them more acutely aware of the very real threats misogyny poses to their lives. Possibly, this leads to these women becoming feminists, and that's why you get more similar experiences to mine here. Perhaps for some sectors of society, particularly lower class women, it is more difficult to just ignore constant sexism and violence as it is more apparent. Indeed, why should we have to keep silent and thus be complicit in it? You sound like you are victim-blaming. I've made no claims about my experience being the norm or wanting the majority to agree with me, my post was an invitation for women to discuss how they felt.

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cockBlocker · 17/11/2018 16:44

VerbeenaBeeks
I haven't objected to anything you have said at all, I only object to Lass claiming we are self-obsessed for having had experiences that she can't relate to.

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VerbeenaBeeks · 17/11/2018 16:57

Ah OK, fair enough and good to know it wasn't anything I said Smile

quixote9 · 17/11/2018 21:22

The massively annoying thing about the "cis" bullshit is somebody else telling you who you are and what you feel.

Everyone just feels like themselves. The difference is that the people with social power get to tell others who they are.

Screw that. The whole thing is a power grab by TRAs, clothed in woke tolerance words about human rights, but whose only actual effect is to silence and erase women.

Of course you never felt "cis." Nobody does.

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