Male police officers can intimately search women. New guidance

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Apologies if this has been posted, but I am sickened that new Police guidance (written by Stonewall obvs) enables male officers who ID as women to search women.

We are meant to be reassured that 'only' officers who ID as women can perform such searches. Apparently there's a lot of misunderstanding about this.

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Are females treated any differently in custody

Owing to the complex needs associated with education; employment; income and family consequences of imprisonment, and the different range of offences committed by women, there are fundamental differences between male and female offenders. Therefore a different and distinct approach is needed for females in custody.

The Corston Report (2007) A Review of Women with Particular Vulnerabilities in the Criminal Justice System

When identifying additional needs and vulnerabilities of female detainees, the custody officer must consider:

the legal rights of girls under the age of 17 years
physical and medical welfare needs
child or dependent welfare issues (particularly for lone parents and foreign nationals)
access to female staff. Female detainees aged 17 years old and over should have access to a female member of staff whose responsibility is to check on their welfare needs
conditions under which women are searched (with respect for privacy and dignity)
adequacy of clean replacement clothing
pregnancy, known or potential (particularly when considering modes of restraint, transportation, and the potential requirement for additional food or drinks)
mental health (in particular depression or suicidal thoughts)
increased risk of self-harm
domestic violence and abuse issues. (Studies have reported that as many as half of the women who have passed through the criminal justice system and then entered prison have experienced domestic violence. Up to a third have been victims of sexual abuse.)
increased likelihood of drug addiction and/or alcoholism
the effects of child separation (where the detainee has a baby or infant).

WTAF?

Thanks Ken and Angry. I thought for a minute in my sleep (the dreams I have where women's rights aren't being battered with a blue and pink baseball bat) that I may have posted sthg contradicting my GC values!

Chief Insp Mick Neville said: “Senior officers constantly complain about lack of funding. “But there will always be enough to fill a diversity unit to run crazy schemes like this.
“Little wonder the public lose faith in the police.”

Yes, quite.

I would think that Callum may find himself tucked away behind a desk job for the foreseeable...

I'm already encountering situations with searches.

I work on a secure mental health unit. Male patients should be searched by male staff, female by female. We have a ftm person at the moment (no hormones, no surgery, no grc) who wants to be treated as male and is nursed on a male ward.

They only want to be searched by female staff though. While this is a good thing for our male staff (who were understandably worried) it does then cause other questions.

Can our other male patients start insisting on female staff searching them? How do we justify refusing this? What happens if we get a mtf?

The cognitive dissonance is baffling.

This is the only download I could find on their site that refers to searching. I'm not sure where they say transwomen can search women. But with Stonewall involved...

The law states that chief officers are responsible for providing corresponding operational guidance and
instructions for the deployment of trans officers and staff under their direction and control in relation to duties
which involve carrying out, or being present at, any of the searches and procedures described in Code A and
Code C of PACE. The guidance and instructions must comply with the Equality Act 2010 and should therefore
complement the approaches in Annex F, Code A and Annex L, Code C of PACE.
Guidelines are currently being reviewed at a national level in relation to both strip and stop searches and this
document will be updated in line with any decisions made.

docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/c940a8_aba0a8dd7b9b41adb76c0319bf81914c.pdf

And all the time wasted in the future by men with hurty feelz because they've been misgendered and reporting it as hate crime, whilst women suffering domestic violence will be ignored due to lack of resources.

How much longer will the errors in EHCR guidance be allowed to propagate out in nonsense such as this?

What happens with non-binaries? Can they search everyone, no one, or only other non-binaries?

What happens if there’s no non-binary officer available to search a non-binary suspect, does someone have to temporarily identify that way to do the search?

Askma - nobody is thinking this through. Top down, ideological policies being imposed on staff and vulnerable people without a single iota of understanding of the complexities.

Not interested in how someone 'identifies'. And if you're there to do a job, your responsibilities and care towards the person you are providing care/service towards come over your own personal special authentic self.

This is also supposing that women are going to just go along with prioritising the needs and feelings of a mtf officer and co operate nicely. Good luck with that.

popchyk the guidance you posted is well written and clear.

And it shows perfectly why the word ‘woman’ needs to mean an adult human female.

This is absolutely disgraceful. Needs to be in the press

Bodged guidance. Bodged enforcement. We know what the collateral damage will be.

This is truly awful. :-(

Still cannot understand how feelings trump material reality here. Actual insanity.

Clinton is silent on how this interacts with the actual law in this country.

Sorry to use the c word (for clarity) but I'd rather be searched by a cis male officer than "Abi" who will no doubt be getting off on using women as an accessory to their AGP fetish.

Every day there seems to be a new story about the police revelling in their fucking misogyny.

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I’m so relieved that I won’t be searched by a penis-owner unless they’re a penis-owner with an obsessive fetish, that’s great news, thanks Stonewall!

Gosh, that's it in a nutshell.

I thought this was one of those things we were told would never happen, like the whole smear test debacle? And if you're unhappy with the person provided to do whatever that you request someone else?

Can a TRA please be clear about this: does a woman (should a woman) no longer legally have the right to refuse to be intimately touched and handled - in this situation possibly by force - by someone born male, in possession of a penis? Yes or no.

Absolutely unacceptable.

I wish we had a button that says "report to the Daily Mail".

Thinking this through. As part of a country lines operation police pick up a young female who they think may be carrying drugs. They also suspect that she may be the victim of modern slavery. (And indeed may want to have reason to arrrest her for her own immediate safety.) She needs to be searched by a woman. End of.

www.sophiecook.me.uk/564-2/

Clinton Blackburn booked Sophie Cook (the male person on an All Women Shortlist in Labour) to give a talk to his police officers.

No doubt paid for by taxpayers.

Coppers seem to have a lot of time on their hands in Surrey.

This is currently illegal.

What charmed lives the men who came up with this policy must have - never experiencing the vulnerability of being female in a world of far too many creepy perverted men who obsess about getting non-consented access to female's bodies.

A charmed fucking life.

PLEASE, LURKING JOURNALISTS - WRITE ABOUT THIS

Pop all of the guidance that you posted works absolutely fine with this once you accept the false premise that "transwomen are women, transwomen are female" etc. That is the magical equation that makes everything "work". And that is why it has to be resisted so strongly.