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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

AIBU to think that life was easier before I realised the emperor was naked?

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ProfessionalBarren · 07/11/2018 21:01

Ok I know this isn’t AIBU does anyone else sometimes wish that they hadn’t had their eyes opened to how insane the whole trans ideology is? It was so much easier when I could just nod along with the media coverage and feel sorry for the poor people trapped in the wrong bodies. I felt compassionate and ‘liberal’, both qualities I really value.

Since realising how utterly bananas the whole premise is and the damage it does to women and children I’m genuinely stressed out by it all. I’m gobsmacked by the science denying and furious with the silencing. I’m also really scared for the future of trans children subjected to irreversible medicalised interventions. And the venom aimed at gender critical people is relentless. It’s made easier by being absolutely sure that this is the “right side of history” but yeah, life was easier before, and I kind of blame you lovely lot Wink

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VickyEadie · 07/11/2018 21:03

Completely agree!

Mumfun · 07/11/2018 21:06

Agreed. But it allows us to try to change things for the better :)

WarmWishes · 07/11/2018 21:07

Yes but am getting used to it and it's nice to be able to stretch my brain more.

BouncingOn · 07/11/2018 21:07

Fuck yes. My brain is exhausted from it all. I'd like the emperor to get his clothes back on now please.

HuckfromScandal · 07/11/2018 21:08

Yep, I totally agree.

ThePrincipal · 07/11/2018 21:09

Yeah I feel like I’m going mad, especially as no-one in real life seems to know anything about it when I mention it. They look at me bemused and like i’m Crazy.

Just simply incredulous at all the shitforbrains.

ProfessionalBarren · 07/11/2018 21:12

It’s like being in a horrible Alice in Wonderland world, where everything that you know is right and true is being undermined. By fuckwits.

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breastfeedingclownfish · 07/11/2018 21:13

Yep. I can't unsee it. Sometimes I wish I could.

stillathing · 07/11/2018 21:14

Totally agree. But nobody in real ife seems to be able to travel backwards in thought. Some celebrities and politicians do though which is intriguing. I'd love to know their thought process to be able to do this.

Thomasinaa · 07/11/2018 21:16

Add Brexit to that and you feel so much worse.

confuzzled42 · 07/11/2018 21:16

Yep - I feel your pain.

R0wantrees · 07/11/2018 21:22

In good company though!

James Kirkup Spectator this evening: Oxford is right not to back down in the Jenni Murray transphobia row
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"Here we go again. Perhaps there should be a template for journalists writing about transgender issues and the treatment of women with the “wrong” opinions. The template would look something like this:

A small group of noisy, angry people, many of them male, have demanded that [Insert woman’s name] not be allowed to speak/ appear/ have a job/ do anything because [woman] once said things the small group of people didn’t like or agree with.

Really, we could use it for so many cases and so many women: Germaine Greer, Julie Bindel, Janice Turner, Posy Parker, Linda Bellos…

Quite a diverse list that: makes you wonder what it is they have in common, and if that common characteristic has something to do with the demands that they shut up in the name of “trans rights”. Anyway, here’s the template with the latest details filled out:

Some Oxford University students are demanding that Dame Jenni Murray, the BBC Woman’s Hour presenter, be prevented from speaking to a student society about feminism, accusing her of having “transphobic” views. You can read a fair summary of the case here at the Oxford student newspaper Cherwell. Or, if you have a taste for over-written, overwrought undergraduate prose, you can read the entire statement issued by the “OU SU LGBTQ+” group here.

“The decision to offer Murray a platform is not apolitical or neutral, especially when her views cause tangible harm to vulnerable members of our society,” the group says

This comes about because last year, Murray said some things that some people didn’t like. You can read about them here but the gist was that someone who is born male and has lived as a man cannot truly become a woman by use of either surgery or makeup, because biology and socialisation are, well, real and cannot be magicked away by someone’s words or feelings." (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/oxford-is-right-not-to-back-down-in-the-jenni-murray-transphobia-row/

barelove · 07/11/2018 21:23

More likely to be a calculated protecting of their careers through tactical reversal of their public opinions than travelling backwards in thought I reckon

EvaHarknessRose · 07/11/2018 21:27

I am literally watching the scales fall from peoples eyes at work over the past few weeks - the Observer article at the weekend particularly. So weird to be able to talk about it more openly.

ProfessionalBarren · 07/11/2018 21:29

Not that I’d ever aspire to it, but I wonder how many people do go from being gender critical to whole heartedly supporting trans ideology. I’m obviously in a Twitter echo chamber (thanks terfblocker Hmm) so can’t get a good overview, but it seems to be way less common than becoming gender critical.

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NopeNi · 07/11/2018 21:30

Very much so. I'd like to be one of the daydreamy Woke lot please, who don't worry or see any problems or abuse of self-ID and extremist TRA ideology at all.

I'm selfishly tired and wish we could just fast forward to a point where sanity has been restored (god I hope it is).

Charliethefeminist · 07/11/2018 21:30

God I so agree. It would be relaxing to go back into the Matrix. Still, can't unknow what we know.

CrookedMe · 07/11/2018 21:32

Yes, I agree. I'm ashamed to say it on here, but I've deleted the Twitter app from my phone. The constant drip drip effect of all the bad news was wearing me down. At least now I have to actively go looking for it.

WarmWishes · 07/11/2018 21:33

I've deleted twitter this week too. I feel calmer for it.

PMSwithacockinmydress · 07/11/2018 21:36

IT's like waking up to the news of a Tory Government. Every day.

silentcrow · 07/11/2018 21:42

It's horrible. I am on eggshells constantly at work because it's a child protection issue. My eldest is right in the age/interests/personality frame to be influenced by the doublethink; and every time I pick up a YA novel I feel like I'm waiting for a mousetrap to spring because it's bloody everywhere in the name of inclusivity.

On the other hand I never would have arrived on Mumsnet or gone to FiLiA, and I've learned an awful lot about law and politics lately.

WWWWicked · 07/11/2018 21:46

Yes completely agree.

Tonight I made my first step in posting some of my (milder) thoughts publicly in a closed group I’m part of on Facebook, and a few people have tentatively agreed and posted so.

NoseringGirl · 07/11/2018 21:53

I completely agree with this too! It's really made me look at how I view things including myself. I've always been a leftie liberal type and this is the first time I've had views that are seen to contradict that mind set.
It makes my head hurt but it's been very good for me. It's made me look at everything from a different perspective. For example, I was an active campaigner during the EU referendum and while it hasn't changed my stance on Brexit, it has made me relook at the reasons for the opposing view rather than just write them off as wrong like I had done. It's easy to call someone a bigot, it's harder and more uncomfortable to acknowledge that there might be a valid reason behind their differing opinion.

ProfessionalBarren · 07/11/2018 21:53

Absolutely. I’ve learnt so much since I started engaging with this whole issue. And I’m awe of how many amazing women there are out there. So intelligent and brave and stunning

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ThePrincipal · 07/11/2018 22:00

I can see there are definitely parallels with Brexit Nosering.
WRT boundaries, rights as a citizen vs rights as a woman, inclusion vs intrusion, TRAs/terrorists tarnishing whole communities, innocent and genuine transsexuals/refugees losing out on sympathy etc. etc..

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