It's not rape if you're wearing lacy knickers.

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www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnewsireland/counsel-for-man-acquitted-of-rape-suggested-jurors-should-reflect-on-underwear-worn-by-teen-complainant-883613.html?fbclid=IwAR35TmZ4qXy2n1YHC0sHTl_37mqRM9EZE5Bs7d7ZC2-IZuR4UVrAT5h5FKA

I'm gobsmacked.

This is horrific, there is absolutely no requirement for your attacker to have even further access to you. My god, that is just further abuse, how dare they give him any further information about you. No wonder so few do this. I admire you hugely. This has got to change. What relevance can your medical history have to being violated by him. He did this, what a shocker

ohmy you are one strong woman to put yourself through all that! Wishing you justice and all the strength and support you need to get through this.

All they need is a letter from.counsellor or GP, no need for access to confidential notes so they can use them as a basis of character assassination, which isny actually a defence
Oh strength to you for this

That's the only type of underwear I wore as a teenager! I doubt many teenagers are wearing full frumpy pants, and how degrading and embarrassing for her to have her underwear discussed in court on top of everything else shes been through.

#Istandwithposie May i pm you?

Of course!

Maybe the judge should instruct all shops that sell lacy knickers that they should now come with a warning label on them - 'beware, wearing these knickers means you want to be raped and the rapist to get away with it' perhaps...

Because like most other women I'm guessing that nobody puts knickers on in the morning and thinks that they had better not put lace ones on because if they get raped it will mean that I wanted it...

That it actually true now, and very scarey.
Where did this happen?

OhmydearGod oh love I am absolutely appalled that the scum who did this can have so much information about your life. You are so, so strong to do this, and so very very brave. I bet you don’t feel strong though. Sending all the strength I can conjure.

From what I can see re the recent high profile rape cases (and all the others that didn’t make the news) the system is broken for these sorts of cases. I’m incredibly lucky that I have never been raped or sexually assaulted but I would be wholly behind any organisation which wa fed to change now the legal system treats survivors.

This is heartbreaking. I’ve said it for years now, I would NEVER encourage anyone I know to report a rape, the trials are often more traumatic that the initial attack. It makes me so sad, and so so angry

Ms Justice Carmel Stewart and Ms Elizabeth OCarroll SC you should be ashamed of yourselves. I hope karma bites you in your arse, you should step down as unfit for purpose, fucking rapist victim blaming handmaidens that you are.

I hope that you both find your full names printed far and wide on the internet for all to see just how fucking out of order you are.

To the child, yes 17 is a child still, that had this awful ordeal happen to her, the rape, the court case and the knicker bull shite, i am so deeply sorry. I hope that you have supportve people around you.

I believe you

OhmydearGod my heart goes out to you and to all the other girls and women that have been through similar.

I never did report the men that raped me, i was too scared of not being believed.

I’m absolutely sickened by this. If I was ever raped, I don’t think I’d be able to report it. I’d get the bastard castrated

Ohmy ditto here but without the support, my officer is “busy” and my ISVA has sent me precisely 3 texts to say they are “busy”.

I know nothing yet they have access to everything. It’s just wrong.

Protests happening in cities around Ireland which is great to see

Would be great to see support for this in the uk

www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/protests-to-be-held-in-five-cities-calling-for-reform-of-handling-of-rape-trials-885284.html

www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/thisisnotconsent-women-post-photos-of-their-underwear-after-cork-rape-trial-885173.html

Absolutely disgusted by this and especially since it happened in my city too. My own daughter is a year older than that poor girl, and still a child in my eyes. The whole things is so upsetting.

This is a great FB post on it :

www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=699301917119912&id=100011203293295

Good article here about it :
In October 1978 five thousand women came from all over Ireland to take part in a protest march through the centre of Dublin organised by the new Dublin Rape Crisis group. Anne Connolly led the chant: “Yes means yes and no means no, however we dress, wherever we go.” Forty years later, last week, in the closing stages of a rape trial in Cork, a barrister for the defendant told the jury they should consider the underwear the 17-year-old complainant was wearing. “Does the evidence out-rule the possibility that she was attracted to the defendant and was open to meeting someone? You have to look at the way she was dressed. She was wearing a thong with a lace front.”

Lots of women like lacy thongs. The department stores are full of them. Lots of women prefer big cotton knickers. These too are widely available. All women are at risk of rape. Now if we knew what sort of knickers rapists wear, that would really be helpful. Especially if they’d wear them outside their trousers.

Full Article : www.irishtimes.com/opinion/out-for-a-good-time-yes-dressed-to-be-raped-no-1.3692397

They will try to hold anything against you in a trial like this to tarnish your character. I was sexually assaulted a few years ago, but as he was a serial attacker and DNA was obtained he pleaded guilty so I never had to stand trial. However, while I was waiting for the trial I had my path obstructed on the street and was flashed at by another man in broad daylight (he apparently had a track record of this), so I reported him to the police and had to go to court. In that trial the defence tried to hold it against me that I had been sexually assaulted as though to say I was obsessed with seeing dicks everywhere or something, a particularly low tactic although the judge dismissed his comment. They had him on CCTV anyway, so thankfully it was an open and closed case. Really feel for this woman and anyone going through this. When I've told others what happened to me I always defensively point out I was completely covered up in a long winter coat and that it was in the daytime, and hate the fact that I feel I have to point this out as it shouldn't make any difference. The blame is always on the woman for 'putting herself in danger', disgusting this is coming from another woman.

Just seen this amazing pie chart on twitter.

But presea they’ve got it all wrong - surely it should all be coloured in a lacy pattern?

Oh wait. Silly me. As you were...

Guardian covering protest in Belfast Thong protest in Belfast raises concerns over rape trials

Not sure if this has been posted yet?

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/mum-ayrshire-girl-who-killed-13591548

Ruth Coppinger T D produced a lacy th ong from her sleeve at Questions to the Taoiseach yesterday. Recognised it was incongruous at a Dail session but made the point it was also incongruous for a teenage rape victim in a courtroom.
Fair play to Coppinger.

I didn't report my rape, and if it ever happened again I wouldn't again. It makes me sick to think about but I do actually think if it happened to DD or DSD I would encourage them not to report. The system is a fucking joke.