Locked out of Twitter for saying TW are same as other men.

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I had contact with a fairly well-known trans rights supporter on Twitter today (woman whose husband turned into a woman, and she now celebrates her modern 'lesbian' relationship with her wife).

Her followers have presumably been searching through my TL to shut me down, as I've just been locked out for a tweet I sent a couple of weeks ago.

I'm guilty of hateful conduct apparently - "you may not promote violence against, threaten, or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease."

The tweet in question didn't do this, I don't think. It was in response to a tweet about a transwoman being killed by a man, which was being used to argue for TW needing the protection of women's spaces.

I pointed out that this person was killed by a man, that men are the main perps of rape and violence and that TW are as likely to engage in that as other men are.

Have I been guilty of hateful conduct? My points were 1) men are responsible for most violence and 2) trans women are men.
Which one of those am I not allowed to say?

Number 2). Twitter is very pro TRA. Lots of people have had their accounts suspended or closed for "misgendering".

I know the woman you mean, she is so annoying!

I was thrown in Twitter jail when I was having a civilised discussion with a US feminist about prisons - I had the stats from the FOIs to show how many trans women in prisons are in fact sex offenders. I don't think the American woman had actually realised this before. It was actually a civilised discussion, but all of a sudden I was locked out of my account for breaking Twitter guidelines.

I don't think it was the woman I was talking to - I suspect that some TRAs patrol Twitter and just report at random. I'm on a few block lists, but I don't tweet loads and I don't have a lot of followers so can only presume it was random patrolling.

Yep TRAs do organise mass reports of people too.

What I want to know is, where do they get this power from? You see all sorts of terrible things on Twitter that don't get deleted - why are they patrolling for this sort of thing?

The answer to your question, OP, is that you are not allowed to say either of those things. .

Stick to talking about kittens

Biology is not bigotry what fucking nonsense

Sorry op

TRAs are convinced Twitter is against them because some gender critical thought gets through. They'd only be happy if it was completely silenced.

Did you read that ridiculous Daily Dot article the other day? Complaining whining that they can't "strongly criticise" gender critical feminists. Where strongly criticise implies death and rape fantasies, no doubt.

And calling for Twitter to ban "all TERFs and Nazis".

You need to remember that Twitter is at heart a tech startup of the bros, by the bros and for the bros. And the TW crowd are increasingly the embodiment of entitled bro-dom.

Twitter is enemy territory.

Thank you for your support, it is not pleasant being told you have been hateful.

I haven't deleted it yet so my 12 hour exile hasn't even started. I'm going to appeal on the basis that I am not harassing men by stating that they are responsible for the majority of violence.
If women aren't allowed to say that men are a danger to them, that would be quite serious.

And if it's the point about TW being men, the opposing point of view is an ideology that I cannot be forced to believe in.

I think someone has maybe been (deliberately or lazily) imaginative in their reading of my tweet and taken it as 'trans women are potential rapists and killers' while leaving out the rest of the sentence 'just as other men are'.

Men's status as potential rapists etc is there in the crime statistics and is the reason for sex segregation in prisons, toilets and refuges etc so they can hardly find that offensive.

I'm sorry to say, I think you are expecting a level of clear headed logical thinking that absolutely does not exist in the decision making process at Twitter.

The transborg find EVERYTHING offensive. Except calling women names of course. That's fine.

Hopefully the 21 year old will have saved planet from this bollocks soon

They do a mass shout out to report you

It’s annonying but switch on protect tweets and start blocking the likes for example the tosser who gave a shout out to avoid someone’s business because didn’t like that person’s opinion, which was FACTS

You're better off deleting the text and having the night off of Twitter. It's not that what you've tweeted is hateful - it's probably the sheer number of reports Twitter have received over that one tweet.

Tomorrow, block her because they'll be back for another trawl of your TL.

13thWarrior
I do like the term 'transborg'.
It's like a giant uncontrollable mass lurching through our public spaces.

Twitter shows the borg's ugly side.

Twitter is a very negative space. Best to conduct any activism or discussion elsewhere. No good can ever come of Twitter.

Try to avoid looking at Harrop's, OJ's twitter feeds. Just feeds into a negative loop, and doesn't progress the cause. Maybe look in, at best, ( to assess the 'scene') - but don't engage.

She is fucking bonkers. That is all.

The phrase "Surrendered wife of the woke" was made for her.
It must be a form of Stockholm syndrome.

I am really not good at letting things go, so I appealed:

“My tweet was found to violate rules of hateful conduct. However it stated that men are the main perpetrators of violence, and that this applies also to transwomen as they are biological men.
Both these statements are correct and neither constitutes a threat or harassment against men. Women are allowed to state that men are the main threat to their safety. I did not say that transwomen as a group were more or less violent than other men - they are the same.
The assertion that transwomen are not men is a belief, and not one that others can be forced to share.
Therefore my tweet did not contain any hateful content and did not violate Twitter rules.”

Probably won’t work and just extends my ban but might be for the best as I am supposed to be writing an OU assignment today, not looking at Twitter.

IME your appeal will be ignored and eventually your account will be permanently banned.

Banned for appealing?? It’s the first time I’ve had any report made against me.

No I mean that the appeal will be ignored, you will delete your post, continue Tweeting, eventually you will be reported again, maybe a third time, and at some point this will result in a permanent ban on your account.

Hopefully not as there are plenty of GC tweeters saying TW are not women, who are not being locked out or banned.

I think the issue is that tweet of mine could be selectively quoted by someone with an agenda to make it look like I was saying TW are violent rapists.

There is so much blatant, awful racism and serious misogynistic abuse on Twitter, and I get locked out?

S’not fair.