Locked out of Twitter for saying TW are same as other men.

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I had contact with a fairly well-known trans rights supporter on Twitter today (woman whose husband turned into a woman, and she now celebrates her modern 'lesbian' relationship with her wife).

Her followers have presumably been searching through my TL to shut me down, as I've just been locked out for a tweet I sent a couple of weeks ago.

I'm guilty of hateful conduct apparently - "you may not promote violence against, threaten, or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease."

The tweet in question didn't do this, I don't think. It was in response to a tweet about a transwoman being killed by a man, which was being used to argue for TW needing the protection of women's spaces.

I pointed out that this person was killed by a man, that men are the main perps of rape and violence and that TW are as likely to engage in that as other men are.

Have I been guilty of hateful conduct? My points were 1) men are responsible for most violence and 2) trans women are men.
Which one of those am I not allowed to say?

I know which twitter thread you are referring to. And one of the women supporting the original "lesbian" is someone I recognise from real life. She also claims to be "queer/bi" but has only ever had heterosexual relationships - at least I know what to buy for Secret Santa (blue hair dye).

There’s an actual, real, butch lesbian on there defending her against my criticism of linking ‘woman’ to style of dress (amongst other non-physical things). She is offended because her masculine style doesn’t make her a man. Which is exactly my point.

They’re not thinking this through. Blue hair dye must affect the brain.

Have I been guilty of hateful conduct?

They'll probably have suspended you account for this bit -

I pointed out that this person was killed by a man, that men are the main perps of rape and violence and that TW are as likely to engage in that as other men are.

By saying trans women are just as likely to engage in violence as other men, not only are you dismissing their rights to live as a woman by calling them a man, you could also be seen as insinuating that transwomen can be violent.

However it stated that men are the main perpetrators of violence, and that this applies also to transwomen as they are biological men.
Both these statements are correct and neither constitutes a threat or harassment against men.

No,it doesn't constitute a thread or harassment towards men, but it can be seen as one against transwomen so I can't see Twitter doing much about your appeal tbh.

@Verbeenabeeks but trans women are violent sometimes (as are all genders of humans). I don’t see how insinuating that trans women can be violent is hateful.

Surely it’s just a case of you’ve been reported by loads of people so they have suspended pending review?

We'll see if it works both ways OP - I'm sure there have been mass reporting about the "erasure of the mug picture" hilarity, which was complete shit stirring, if it's the one I'm thinking of??

I have learned not to flood in with anger sometimes, as they feed off it. It would hurt them more to be ignored, as all they do is seek validation for their not so happy lives.

After my first ban, which was so utterly tenuous to the point I was making, I take a breath before I put emotion into a post.

Fuel to the fire...

Also ended up in Twitter jail for a similar comment, twice. I've disabled my account now, there are a few amazing people on there I loved to follow but the majority of the shit just got to me so much. I was seething at my first ban, but now I see Twitter for what it really is and have just walked away, mainly for my mental health. Concentrating on spreading the word and doing what I can in real life, and following these boards and a few fb pages for the latest.

By saying trans women are just as likely to engage in violence as other men, not only are you dismissing their rights to live as a woman by calling them a man, you could also be seen as insinuating that transwomen can be violent.

You'll be able to provide evidence that MTFs commit violent crime at a lower rate than other males, of course? It's a simple statement of fact. You are making an extraordinary claim, you need to evidence it or there is no reason to believe it.

You are making an extraordinary claim, you need to evidence it or there is no reason to believe it

OP asked why it was seen as offensive, I said why it will have been. It's the second one.If you can't or won't see that, then there's not much point really. Twitter must have thought the same to put the ban in place.

Twitter is run by misogynists. You have a low bar, Verbeena.

But I take it you can't evidence why "you're suggesting that MTFs are as violent as men" would be an unreasonable statement.

No surprise there.

OP asked a question, I answered it.
That's what it will be.

you could also be seen as insinuating that transwomen can be violent.

Only as violent as any other male. Your agreeing with Twitter on this signals your belief that saying that is unreasonable.

Which is a bizarre ideology driven belief you have that you can't remotely evidence.

OK, maybe Twitter's finger slipped and they suspended the account by accident.
Maybe they'll read the appeal, see they got it wrong, and re-instate straight away.
OP will know if the appeal is responded to if this is the case, won't they. Or if the appeal doesn't work,it's more likely what I said.
I was merely answering the question.

You did nothing wrong. Apart from speak the truth. I was suspended from Twitter earlier this year for saying Aimee Challenor was a man ( before all the shit hit the fan about their dad). And a couple days later my account was hacked and my real name replaced my Twitter handle, which was bloody disturbing! I can’t prove who hacked it but I have my suspicions...I stayed off Twitter for a while but fuck it, we have to speak the truth!

I don't think it constitutes harassment of transwomen to say that they are men, when it comes to male pattern violence.

There is no evidence to say otherwise.

If I was directly targeting one person and telling them they were a violent man just like other men, ok that's harassment (though it may well be true). But I was speaking generally.

I'm not denying TW's right to live as women. I'm saying they're not women. If you're a woman you don't need to live as one. Like those cards that say "you're like a mother to me", that you are not supposed to send to your actual mother but someone who has been like a mother!

Anyway I'm sure my appeal will fail, because they will insist on misreading my tweet as saying TW are violent rapists. But I felt I had to point out that they were wrong.

Verbeena I know you were saying what their issue is, not that you agree with it.

Destinysdaughter that's really disturbing

By saying trans women are just as likely to engage in violence as other men, not only are you dismissing their rights to live as a woman by calling them a man, you could also be seen as insinuating that transwomen can be violent.

Transwomen can be violent. I’m not insinuations that, I’m stating a fact.

How did so many end up in prison for violent offences if they can’t be violent?

Also, being a woman or a man isn’t a ‘right’ any more than you have a right to be a bird or a unicorn. Your right to bodily autonomy is limited by the laws of biology. There’s no higher court.