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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Confused - Need Clarification

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chickenshaslikklambbhuna · 04/11/2018 14:00

This morning I read the paragraph below , written by someone who is well known and fighting against self id & it has confused me.

"The equality act is already self-identification. So trans people can already self declare themselves trans. The gender recognition act is assessed and they want this to also be self ID. The difference being that a trans person could then not just self ID as trans but also as actually female."

I do get that many female spaces are already governed by taboo rather than law. I think what I want to know is. If I found Dick or Dicketta in my communal changing room (it has no cubicles) is this lawful now?

The paragraph in quotes above make it sound like the virtual self id that we have now, means that in reality we have very few truly female spaces in law. Is it true that the only spaces we could ever hope to protect would be very limited to refuges, prisons, rape crisis centres? Could Dick in the FPFW video already access those spaces now if he wanted?

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WickedLazy · 07/11/2018 17:49

But if they weren't condsidered male, they wouldn't be trans anything, they'd just be women? Can we not ust mtf trans anymore then either?

I had soo much more typed out there, but was going round in circles/no point debating it. Am I mad or does it defy logic? What are we supposed to call a human with a penis and a "feminine" personality these days?

WickedLazy · 07/11/2018 17:50

Sorry *considered male at some point

WickedLazy · 07/11/2018 18:00

The more I think about this, the more the mind boggles. So if someone decribed themselves as "born male, transitioning to female", they'd be insulting themselves and other people like them, by including the bit that suggests they have a penis? They're supposed to just say they're a woman..? Or is it okay to say "I'm trans" and leave it to the imagination what they're transing from and to?

Did this by any chance become an issue, when more women started to realise how many still have a penis..?

FloralBunting · 07/11/2018 18:33

Yes, it will mess with your head because it's supposed to. It's a common abusive control tactic to make you very nervous about what you say.

The women who post here mostly used to be very sympathetic to the struggles of those with gender dysphoria. It was persistent abusive character behaviour like coercive speech that alerted most of us there was something very sinister going on with the broader 'transgender' movement.

It's hard to take in, and newbies often think we are making too much of it, but honestly, once someone shows you that the emperor is stark bollock naked, you can't unsee it.

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