When will we wake from this nightmare?

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Please tell me we will wake up one day and the trans cult will be officially exposed for the cult it is that is destroying children’s lives? I can’t believe that parents and medical professionals are knowingly and willingly making perfectly healthy children into sub-adults that will never mature properly mentally as haven’t gone through puberty and will never have satisfying sex lives. Never father children or become mothers (biologically), never breastfeed or have that oxytocin flow through them. I feel so sad and angry for these children who are being denied a life where there are options. The choices are being made for them now and as far as we know there is no going back once that brain development is interrupted and disturbed. Why can’t people see how damaging, unethical and immoral it is to do this to our children? When will the madness stop?

As far as I'm aware radfems have never promoted the T, and it was only added to the LGB in the last ten years or so.

What, you haven't heard of the great radical feminist Simone de Foucault?

Always suspicious of usernames I've not heard of on here who turn up to sprout shite.

So none of what I've described has happened because of semantics?

It's not semantics to point out the glaring inconsistencies and inaccuracies in your argument. You are conflating completely different things leading to statements that have no coherent logic.

So political lesbians, and feminists in general, withdraw their support of the LGB cause upon the inclusion of the T's in the late 80s?

What, you haven't heard of the great radical feminist Simone de Foucault?

"Sharks sometimes eat people, and that's why knitting is a health hazard. Take that, feminists!"

Is the patriarchy to blame for the rise of the transgender movement, if so, how?

What, you haven't heard of the great radical feminist Simone de Foucault?

Please do not minimize the great achievements of the father of (not just modern) feminism, Michel Foucault. We all know he hopped into a time machine to tell Simone de Beauvoir what to write, and then, after travelling back to the future, corrected the shortcomings of her theory, solving the problems of feminism. (Apparently she did not listen properly, when he first told her what to write).

(If you don't believe me, it is all in that one thread from 2 weeks back.)

The tide is supposedly turned - except while there are flurries on the surface, the TRA policy kraken still glides under the radar, getting places on influential committees, taking over the BBC, whose editorial muse now flies under the Stonewall banner, and chipping away at Tavi caution. In four years the language of the TRA has become the norm. I don't know when we will wake up. It seems so far away.

Is the patriarchy to blame for the rise of the transgender movement, if so, how?

By teaching people with penises that women have no boundaries and, therefore, their safe spaces, scholarships and whatever else they fought for are up for grabs for anyone with a penis (and a dress), maybe?

(Is the patriarchy to blame for the rise of the transgender movement, if so, how?)

Oh, and by selling to men the idea that being a woman means all those silly stereotypes patriarchy invented to crush and mock women.

There's an assumption that the nightmare will end at some point. Notes from history: it might not.

I know. I find it terrifying that they have so much power and influence across the world. And that the movement is driven by such hatred of women. It feels like the destruction of women is the primary goal of their activism.

Basically we have a powerful and influential worldwide movement whose aim is to totally subjugate women.

And I am scared.

There's an assumption that the nightmare will end at some point. Notes from history: it might not.

That is exactly, why I find the phrase 'on the wrong side of history' so pointless. If history goes down the handmaid's tale, people who support the complete subordination of women are literally on the right side of history.

we have a powerful and influential worldwide movement whose aim is to totally subjugate women. And I am scared

I'm afraid too. We have to keep on.

@deepwatersolo
"By teaching people with penises that women have no boundaries and, therefore, their safe spaces, scholarships and whatever else they fought for are up for grabs for anyone with a penis (and a dress), maybe?"

Who exactly are these patriarchal teachers and how long have they been teaching this alleged doctrine?

If anything, postmodernism is to blame for the ideology of transgenderism, patriarchy is just a willing beneficiary.

If we lose the ability to clearly define women and girls as a group and to exclude men from those spaces where there presence is a threat to our safety we lose everything. We simply can't afford to let TRAs get what they want. Needs of 50% of the population versus potential hurt feelings of less than 1%? The 50% win.

And that's before you even take into account the people for whom all this is simply a misogynistic power play.

History does not have a right or wrong side. To believe it does it to believe it is some kind of ongoing process with a desired and fixed end point which is teleology, AKA bad historical methodology.

I would say it's patriarchy exploiting pomo, the other way around. TRA is a calculated and well funded backlash against feminism which uses pomo NCPs as puppets, useful idiots.

Charlie, yes, that is just as likely, in fact, it makes sense that MRAs would utilise 'useful idiots' to give themselves a veneer of plausibility. Either way, it's not the work of rad fems.

Who exactly are these patriarchal teachers and how long have they been teaching this alleged doctrine?

They are men and have been teaching that women have no boundaries and are not entitled to any independent life, business or property since the advent of patriarchy. Just the other day I read an article about men boycotting women's businesses and burning them at the stake as witches in order to take over their property, to take one random example of patriarchal subjugation of women from rather recent history.

Patriarchy didn't support the LGBT movement, RadFem 'political lesbians' (or just lesbians) did, for obvious reasons. However they seemed oblivious to the reality that part of the LGBT movement, i.e. the T, has serious mental health issues which could greatly impact women if T's were given the rights they always wanted. Fast forward a few decades and the consequences of Radfem actions are on full display, in the nearest womens' toilets.

This is nonsense, and an example of how everything always ends up being a woman's fault. (I'm sure that's covered in the rules of misogyny).

Radfems are the ones who have been raising the awareness about this for years now - Julie Bindel and Julie Burchill started writing about it in around 2004.

The trans movement has changed in the past decade - from being the gender-non-conforming movement embraced by radfems, to something unrecognisable - a male rights movement that seeks to erode women's rights and boundaries, and change the very definition of the word "woman."

And "man" come to that - they're coming for the gay men now. Telling gay men that they "men can have vaginas too, and should be welcome in your saunas" is not going down too well, as far as I can tell.

So as well as the misogyny, which has been ongoing for several years now - the latent homophobia in the movement is becoming all too apparent. Because apparently homosexual men & women are being transphobic or "genital fetishists" by not dating trans people, or finding them sexually attractive.

Totally agree saskia, in fact it was certainly enabled for years by people like me, feminist in name but all about 'choice', who ignored the warning signs. Just ignoring means enabling, in effect. So, I have 20 years to make up for in this fight, and I'm only two and a half years in on the right side.