30 yr old school pupil reported to Home Office

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An asylum seeker pupil at a school in Ipswich is being investigated after claims he is in his 30s. Maybe he is trans age? If he identifies as a teenager then we should respect that and treat him as such, right?

The young men at their school aren’t hopping on the privileged ‘trans’ bandwagon. They are trying to make a life in the UK whatever it takes basically

Does "trans" have to be shoe horned in to every issue? Are you trying to make excuses ? It reads as if you are saying,well they might have lied through their teeth as to why the UK should accept them- but at least they are not trans?

These young men are cheats and liars. They would presumably fail to be accepted as refugees and lying about their status does not make me warm to them.

This man looks like an adult male who the hell thought he could possibly be a child ?

I remember the 'child' refugees arriving to great fanfare. The ones they showed on TV were clearly in their twenties.

Anyone expressing that was branded a racist and told 'you try living in a war zone and looking young' as if the middle aged ageing process in any way relates to the adolescent one.

When kids grow musculature, height and facial hair it hardly indicates stress. The opposite would surely be the case.

I suppose the trans parallel here is people on the left expecting others to deny the evidence of their own eyes in favour of a narrative that better suits an agenda.

3/4 where found to be older than 18

www.thelocal.se/20171204/impact-of-swedens-asylum-age-assessment-tests-revealed

This man looks like an adult male who the hell thought he could possibly be a child ?

Where are you seeing the picture

Facebook

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5228045/amp/Just-one-five-fake-child-migrants-UK-sent-home.html

It is in the Mail so it can't be true.

The men in these pictures don't remotely look like children. They look healthy and well nourished.

Julie

Searched and found it.

Bloody hell .

These young men are cheats and liars.

That transagephobic, LassWiADelicateAir, and you know it. If they identify as young teens then it's not up to you to deny them their identities.

These young men are cheats and liars.
That transagephobic, LassWiADelicateAir, and you know it. If they identify as young teens then it's not up to you to deny them their identities

The point I was making, and clearly failed, that a poster seemed to be trying to make excuses for these men because they are simply trying to make the best of a new life for themselves, but they weren't claiming "trans privilege".

This has nothing to do with transgender issues.

It is a direct parallel.

GC posters on FWR are concerned about the safeguarding dangers inherent in allowing males to self-ID as women or girls.

These same GC posters on FWR are concerned about the safeguarding dangers inherent in allowing adults to self-ID as children.

If a man says he is a woman, you expect us to agree. Yet if a man says he is a boy, you call him a cheat and a liar.

It is an interesting situation that too often people generally seem to polarise to being naive and compassionate, or very cynical and ignorant. I don't know if this is new or it has always been exactly the same. I think we are different than the 19 50s - 90s for sure.

People seem to lack the will and ability to hold and balance complex and competing thoughts these days.

This is the link with the trans ideology - too many things nowadays are one extreme or the other. Both extremes are idiotic, irrational and intellectually lazy.

Even perpetrators can be victims, victims can be perpetrators. We are not 100% angels or 100% demons. Completely mad or completely sane in cliched stereotypes

We could do with practising compassionate realism, neither totally demonising and ignoring contributing factors, nor putting on a pedestal built of naivety and irrational excusing. This is where the political middle ground ought to be to my mind; dealing with complex problems compassionately but not gullibly and with education and facts. Neither desperately and blindly rescuing, nor ignorant knee-jerk condemning, disregarding cause and effect. But being wise and balanced is hard work.

It applies so much to mental health care and to society - like good parenting on a grander scale, but totally agree that parenting is so lacking these days.

People seem to lack the will and ability to hold and balance complex and competing thoughts these days.

I don't want the safeguarding of children to be compromised because we have to look at the needs of adults.

This man might be just wanting a better life for himself and doing anything to make that happen or he might not have understood the seriousness of his deceit.

But that's irrelevant. There are procedures in place and many adults whose job it is to protect children from the risk of abuse.

The safety of children has to be priority otherwise children are at risk from adults.

This has NOTHING to do with trans people! But as usual on Mumsnet, any excuse for transphobia...

Can anyone PM me a link to this photo? Can't find it via a search.

That isn't what I meant zutt. I am saying we can consider why he did something and what contributed to that so we can stop the causes and predict how people may react and behave, and that we use that knowledge to take proper rational measures to prevent people doing wrong. Not saying stupidly that it will never happen, nor say they are all pure evil so what else did we expect.

I am fully on board with strong safe guarding and strong boundaries. I was just talking about this tribal approach of one extreme or the other.

It is correct that poverty and poor nutrition will make people look older than they are. There is a very distinct look. This will no doubt be written off as right wing, classist prejudice but there is a distinct look amongst some persons in the UK who have been brought up in severly deprived conditions but that looks nothing like these strapping young men.

I agree - this has nothing to do with transgender issues.

What I'm concerned with is that there must have been so many people who had contacted with this man(?) whose priority is child safeguarding who either did nothing about it, or whose concerns were dismissed.

What other safeguilding issues are being ignored and why?

I agree - this has nothing to do with transgender issues

Of course it does.

It proves men will lie. About age. And about being a woman. And governing bodies will grant their requests to dismantle safe Guarding to give them the access to children . Because these are predominantly men and our girls are most at risk from them

It's happened before but the age discrepancy was only 3 or 4 years. Asylum seekers know the rules are different for children but as there are medical checkups I'm not sure how a 14 year difference wouldn't be detected. I'm actually thinking it's more likely to be parents not liking the fact there's an asylum seeker at the school (some do look older due to a hard life remember)

annie

Do a face book search.
Then come back and tell me that's a hard life

*Zutt& because according to some, criticism and analysis makes you an ist or a phobe or a bully, and people are cowed by that.

Because there are too many people on the other extreme who will knee-jerk condemn and throw away the key without caring what can be done to make life any better for anyone except themselves.

Because we have lost our middle ground where people bother to do the hard work, and live with hard choices for the long term benefit and believe that it will be worth it, or that doing the right thing is worth it in itself. We are scared and jaded and claustrophobic from the difficulty and weight of difficult to solve problems such as misogyny, population growth, climate change, wondering what the point of life is for eg. The constant juggling. As a whole it makes us weak and vulnerable to extremes and magical thinking as an outlet.

I find it terrifying that so many people have become so stupid re safeguarding just because they desperately want the world to be a nice place or they have been brainwashed, or whatever it is.

Women giving a shit and saying NO is what will bring this back I believe.

I've been called a racist bigot before on MN for my thoughts regarding adults presenting as children - my line of thinking being in keeping with packing.

I've also been called a terf for saying men are men.

I'm not surprised my mental health is so shaky when what I see with my very own eyes and know to be true is rejected. I feel I'm being gas-lit on an industrial scale.

Check 'Hollie Dayinn' on Facebook. She has the chap's photo.

I think it's true that children from some parts of the world do mature younger.

I teach in the ME, & my 14yo son looks noticeably younger than most of his y10 peers. He's tall, but still a kid - voice hasn't broken, barely a hint of peach fuzz on his face - whereas many of his mates are shaving daily (we've got y8 lads having a credible stab at Movember ) & generally look more like 18-19yo lads do in the UK.

However - these are rich, well nourished young men. If you visit Garbage City, you'll see teenagers who look like scrawny 10yos. So I doubt that very many child refugees genuinely look like solidly built, muscular adults.

I do think it's inevitable that some young refugee guys will claim to be younger if it's to their advantage - & I'm not sure I blame them, really. But yes, it's a safeguarding worry.