Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Oh look, another this never happens... (not a trans one though)

29 replies

Yambabe · 31/10/2018 18:51

www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/ian-naude-trial-cheshire-police-15353860

Cheshire policeman on trial for the rape of a 13 year old girl joined the force in order to obtain access to vulnerable children.

Even though abusive men don't do that, do they? Angry

That poor kid, how brave of her to come forward. She'll have to give evidence now though, because of course he has pled not guilty on the grounds that she consented. She was 13 ffs, and he's already admitted several other child-related sexual offences so why on earth would he make her go through the court process and cross-examination.

OP posts:
moofolk · 31/10/2018 18:53

Because he's a complete and utter bastard.

VickyEadie · 31/10/2018 18:57

Shocked at the very notion that some predatory men will go to extraordinary lengths to gain access to children and/or women to abuse.

ShineOnHarvestMoon · 31/10/2018 19:08

I know VickyEadie it never happens, does it?

VickyEadie · 31/10/2018 19:11

Nah - never anything to worry about there. And nobody has any motive for dismantling safeguarding.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 31/10/2018 19:16

What an irredeemable bastard. I hope they give him the maximum sentence. Angry

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 31/10/2018 19:17

but...but... no one would make a serious change to their life to gain access to vulnerable children

this literally never happens

BlackeyedGruesome · 31/10/2018 22:47

hope you were sitting in a bowl of water when you posted this, just in case your underwear started smouldering. If these things do not happen...

Yambabe · 15/11/2018 18:40

Guilty verdict today.

But the background is horrific. He'd been investigated for rape and grooming allegations previously but he still passed vetting ffs. Because surprise surprise "there were pseudonyms".

Bit still, it's OK because predatory men don't go to great lengths to get access to victims do they? Angry

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-46220586

OP posts:
Justhadathought · 15/11/2018 19:19

For child predators their 'predilection' is their main driving force in life. They do whatever they are able to get themselves into positions with access to children. This has already proved to be the the case with self -Id if we look at the example of David Challenor. They can; they do; and they will.......and in full gaze.

KristinaM · 15/11/2018 19:22

"He didn't join to be a police officer, he joined to be a predator."

Ms McCormick [acting chief constable ] believes he acted alone but added: "I would be naive to think there are not other people within the force and that's why we have to be active in looking at that behaviour so we can root it out."

No shit Sherlock

PissedOffWoman · 15/11/2018 21:06

Why can authorities not see that there is nothing a predator will not do to gain positions in which to get to their victims.

They get an inordinate amount of pleasure out of the manipulation and deviousness of the hunt leading up to accessing their victims. It all part of their twisted, evil games.

Removing and weakening safeguarding will only result in more and more abuses happening.

Avegemitesandwich · 15/11/2018 21:09

I was just about to start a thread on this.

PC Ian Naude, 30, joined Cheshire Constabulary "to gain the keys to a sweetshop" through access to potential victims, Liverpool Crown Court heard

But men would never simply sign a piece of paper which legally makes them a woman and therefore able to access any woman's space would they?

BarMcBarsen · 15/11/2018 21:16

Why is everyone saying 'oh that would NEVER happen' in a sarcastic way? Has someone said that, in a serious way? Of course Predators go into policing/teaching etc. Who's pretending they don't?

PineappleSunrise · 15/11/2018 21:24

Women are regularly being told that predatory men would NEVER go to extreme lengths to get access to vulnerable people to victimise. We are being told this A LOT at the moment.

spannablue · 15/11/2018 21:24

BarMcBarsen

People are saying that because they are trying to make a point about trans women self IDing to get into girls spaces like the Guides etc.

But what they are actually succeeding in doing is merely undermining their own point.

Predator men will get into organisations with vulnerable children in many, many ways. There are many much simpler ways they could do that than 'transitioning'. So it doesn't make sense to make that common and offensive link with trans women.

NewWomensMovement · 15/11/2018 21:32

There are many much simpler ways they could do that than 'transitioning'.

Especially if self-ID comes in - they'd only need to fill out a form. Ta-dah! Piece of piss!

PineappleSunrise · 15/11/2018 21:34

Well, quite Spanna. It's SO much easier to obscure your trail under multiple false names and then go through police vetting and training to get access to vulnerable girls, then it is to fill out a form officially changing your legal name and sex and then freaking out at anyone who "deadnames" you.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 15/11/2018 21:37

I can't think of anything much simpler than 'transitioning' when the only thing needed is to say 'I'm trans'.

arranfan · 15/11/2018 21:40

There were so many revelations about men in senior positions in well-known aid organisations who had manipulated their way into continuously being posted to countries where the conducive context (e.g., war, natural disaster) would allow them easy access to exploit women and/or children.

Other conducive contexts where these conditions apply include residential and locked institutions: children’s homes, mental hospitals, prisons, police stations have all been identified as spaces in which violence is commonplace and is all too often tolerated.

Institutionalised gendered power relations can also be identified in educational institutions, faith organisations and workplaces: all are contexts where men’s status and authority, rather than inducing an ethic of care, can be used by abusive men to intimidate and silence.

...conflict, dislocation and migration constitute contexts in which the vulnerability of women and girls is accentuated by external conditions over which they have little if any control.

Jackie Turner (2013) has developed this analytical frame with respect to trafficking, noting that in international human rights thinking women’s vulnerability derives from their subordinate status in gender orders (Connell, 2009). They are, in turn, disproportionately affected by conflict, economic crises and the deepened inequalities heralded by globalisation. At the same time women migrants have fewer options for legal migration and are thus more reliant on the irregular routes controlled by smugglers and traffickers.

However, disappointingly, it seems that none of the organisations involved want to address this in public and face up to it for fear of losing government support as well as private donors.

discoversociety.org/2016/03/01/theorising-violence-against-women-and-girls/

Avegemitesandwich · 15/11/2018 21:53

Why is everyone saying 'oh that would NEVER happen' in a sarcastic way? Has someone said that, in a serious way? Of course Predators go into policing/teaching etc. Who's pretending they don't?

Women are being told that self-id is not an issue 'because like, men aren't exactly going to pretend they are women to gain access to potential victims are they?'

Whereas we know that men are prepared to do all manner of crazy shit in order to carry out their crimes, so signing a piece of paper to say they are legally a woman is hardly a stretch.

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 15/11/2018 22:36

Not to mention that some of those who work with sex offenders in the prison service have given evidence to the government that they believe some would indeed take advantage of self ID, and in fact some have specifically admitted to them that easier access to potential victims was part of their motivation for wanting to transition.

BarMcBarsen · 15/11/2018 22:37

Aha, got ya. 👍

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 15/11/2018 23:37

"Predator men will get into organisations with vulnerable children in many, many ways. There are many much simpler ways they could do that than 'transitioning'."

But the only way they can get to share showers and sleeping accommodation with (unrelated) women and girls, or carry out intimate searches or medical procedures (where a female was requested) on them, is to self ID.

OldCrone · 15/11/2018 23:44

But the only way they can get to share showers and sleeping accommodation with (unrelated) women and girls, or carry out intimate searches or medical procedures (where a female was requested) on them, is to self ID.

And then when they get arrested, they can continue the abuse of women by insisting on being strip searched by a female officer. And get sent to a women's prison.

Self ID is a sexual predator's dream.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 16/11/2018 07:17

Self ID is a sexual predator's dream.

That cannot be repeated enough.