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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Response from Leeds Council about WPUK Cancellation

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CrazyToast · 31/10/2018 13:08

Thank you for your complaint dated 1st October 2018 which has been logged at Stage 1 of our procedure and has been investigated in line with our Complaints policy.

I understand that your complaint relates to the cancellation of a booking for a Woman’s Place meeting to be held at the Leeds Civic Hall on 28 September 2018.

The booking enquiry was made by an individual in April and provisionally entered into the diary, subject to completion of the booking form. While this is the usual procedure, the booking was not completed and returned as expected. The individual who had made the booking was contacted and asked to complete the booking form and this was done on 21 September, a week before the event was scheduled to take place.

The venue was not disclosed to those attending until the morning of 28 September due to concerns by the organisers about security. Once the venue was confirmed news of the event quickly spread and calls to cancel the event were made to the Council on social media and by e-mails to elected members and officers.

From midday onwards, a number of communications were received alleging that Woman’s Place UK had held similar events elsewhere in the country which gave a platform to speakers that used potentially discriminatory language particularly in regard to the transgender community. It also became apparent that a number of these events had attracted controversy, demonstrations and/or the cancellation of meetings and a Police investigation into a bomb threat made in advance of an event in Hastings.

Officers had to quickly consider whether allowing the group to hold its meeting at the Civic Hall would represent a significant security risk and also impact the work to tackle prejudice and promote understanding in the city.

In considering these issues a decision to cancel the event was made primarily as the Council was concerned about the potential safety and security risks to the building, its staff and users. At that late stage it would not have been possible to determine and mobilize sufficient resources to afford the correct level of protection to mitigate such risks and therefore there was no option but to cancel the booking.

The Civic Hall is the key public building in the city and a symbol of democracy and Leeds City Council is a large local authority with a high profile and as such could potentially be a target for acts of terrorism. The Council’s Building Security Policy identifies the actions to be taken in line with the threat levels set by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre and the Security Service (MI5). The threat level informs decisions on protective security measures taken by public bodies, the police and the transport sector. The United Kingdom’s current threat level is severe, meaning that an attack is highly likely. This requires a heightened response level for high risk events which includes issuing visitor ID badges, accompanying visitors to the event area and risk based bag searches.

The investigation revealed that there were a number of factors that contributed to safety and security concerns that led to the cancellation of the booking on the afternoon of 28 September when the meeting was scheduled to be held:

· It was clear that information to support confirmation of the booking was withheld until a week before the event, when provided this was incomplete in that it failed to identify the organisation and nor was any information provided about the potential for threats of harm or demonstrations as experienced at previous events held by the organisers.

· The withholding of information by Woman’s Place UK resulted in insufficient time to undertake a risk assessment to arrive at a considered view of the risks and whether any actions that could be taken to mitigate these and identify and mobilise resources to achieve this if appropriate to do so.

· The Council had a duty to ensure the safety and security of the building, its staff and visitors. At the present time this duty requires a heightened response level and must take seriously the threat of harm including the potential for bomb threats.

The e-mails sent by the office of the Leader of the Council, were sent on her behalf as responses to concerns raised by e-mail about Woman’s Place UK. It appears the text extracted from the e-mail response has been made public on social media giving the impression that the Leader of the Council made a public statement, but this was not the case.

There was effort made to ensure that there was clarity and consistency in all communications. However given the number of individuals involved and the speed of events, the specifics of the decision making and the commentary or views of individuals on social media may have been conflated.

For clarity, the official council statement released to the press on the day of cancellation was as follows:

A Leeds City Council spokesperson said:

“We recently received a request for a meeting to be held at Leeds Civic Hall by Women’s Place UK. Since accepting the booking, we have been made aware of further details regarding some of the views which have been raised by this group previously that are not in line with Leeds City Council’s values and policies on equality and inclusion.

“We understand these views have attracted controversy and led to safety concerns at other venues hosting similar events. We have therefore decided that Leeds Civic Hall is not an appropriate venue for this event and have informed the organisers that their booking has been cancelled.”

On issuing this statement we received further questions which again we responded to publicly through the press office. A further statement was issued providing more detailed information as follows:

A Leeds City Council spokesperson said:

“Leeds City Council received a booking for an event to be held at Leeds Civic Hall on 28th September 2018 several weeks ago which was booked in the name of ‘Woman’s Peace is Speaking the Truth’. Details about the venue were not released to the attendees by the organisers until the day the event was due to be held (last Friday).

“Once those details were published, it became clear the event was to be hosted by Woman’s Place UK and that the organisers had not been open to the council about the nature of the booking, including the fact that previous events had been the subject of bomb threats and serious protests.

“The council also received a number of complaints from people concerned about the alleged use of controversial and potentially discriminatory language at similar events that had been organised by the group in other parts of the country.

“The council is committed to public sector guidelines on equality and does extensive work towards eliminating harassment and discrimination in Leeds.

“At that late stage, and in light of this new information, the council had to quickly consider whether holding this meeting at the Civic Hall would represent a significant security risk and if it would have a detrimental impact on our work to tackle prejudice and promote understanding in our city.

“With this in mind, and in the absence of relevant security, risk and equality assessments being carried out due to misinformation by the event organiser, on the advice of officers and in consultation with elected members, the council’s chief executive took the decision to cancel the meeting.

“We would emphasise that had the group making the booking being more open and transparent with us, it would have given us more opportunity to work with them to fully consider all security, safety, risk and equality concerns.”

It is regrettable that this event had to be cancelled and as a Council it is clear that our processes at the time were a contributing factor in the cancellation. I can assure you that changes will be made to minimise any future short notice cancellations.

I also wish to apologise for the delayed response to your complaint. With a sensitive issue of this nature I wished to ensure I had full details of the events leading up to the cancellation before responding to your concerns, which on this occasion has taken longer than expected.

I hope the above information addressed your concerns around the cancellation of this booking. If you wish to request a review of my decision, you can contact Customer Relations either in writing, by telephone or e-mail within 28 days of receiving this letter. However, please be aware that consideration will usually only be given to new facts or evidence, or to comments on the above facts and evidence which I have relied on as part of my investigation.

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PurdysChocolate · 31/10/2018 13:18

Can someone post screenshots of the very-pleased-with-themselves Tweets from TRAs following the cancellation please? I also complained to the council and would like to use them in my reply.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 31/10/2018 13:22

From midday onwards, a number of communications were received alleging that Woman’s Place UK had held similar events elsewhere in the country which gave a platform to speakers that used potentially discriminatory language particularly in regard to the transgender community. It also became apparent that a number of these events had attracted controversy, demonstrations and/or the cancellation of meetings and a Police investigation into a bomb threat made in advance of an event in Hastings.

There you go! Send that back to them and ask

"Did it not occur to you that from midday you were receiving emails from trans activists, the same people who are the very same people who mounted those demonstrations, issued threats, including bomb threats, and called the police in order to make a loud noise over a group of women wishing to discuss government legislation, at the governments request?"

"When you have digested that obvious fact you may understand why the WPUK were reluctant to be more upfront about the meeting any earlier. Sadly those TRAs, given the heads up by a member of the council, according to at least one Twitter page, were very quick to mount their objections and to fill you with fear of the actions that they themselves would carry put if you allowed a group of women to talk"

"Sirs, you were had! You were taken in by individuals well versed in silencing women. Can you not see that you were duped? Shame on you all"

Or something along those lines...

EverardDigby · 31/10/2018 13:27

Shocking, did I miss the bit that said we are committed to ensuring that women are able to have their voices heard in the political process and they are not threatened into silence and will work with A Woman's Place to ensure this happens?

Dyrne · 31/10/2018 13:31

Hmm, interesting how the narrative has changed from “preventing the nasty transphobic hate” in the initial statement to “we’re just worried about your safety” in this response...

gendercritter · 31/10/2018 13:38

Isn't it absolutely astonishing that in 2018 a group of women meeting to talk in a public place should be so inflammatory and dangerous? Do they realise what they're saying?

Also talking about women's rights is discriminatory to trans people. Ok then. At least we know their position.

fidgetspinner555 · 31/10/2018 13:40

Is there anyone from WPUK who can confirm/deny this is what happened re: the booking?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/10/2018 13:45

Re the booking, that is not what I have seen people saying. Will see if I can find a reference.

ILuvBirdsEye · 31/10/2018 13:49

The WPUK statement said there had been full disclosure.

merrymouse · 31/10/2018 13:50

The council is committed to public sector guidelines on equality and does extensive work towards eliminating harassment and discrimination in Leeds

Unless apparently you are an organisation supporting woman, when Leeds council is more than happy to facilitate harassment and discrimination.

Needmoresleep · 31/10/2018 13:59

The council is committed to public sector guidelines on equality and does extensive work towards eliminating harassment and discrimination in Leeds

This is so insulting. They are clearly not interest in equality if it involves women.

Threats are made, so punish the victim not the perpetrators. Not even a hint that they are aware of how unacceptable their approach is. How about a ‘sorry, we got it wrong’.

DixieFlatline · 31/10/2018 14:03

The United Kingdom’s current threat level is severe, meaning that an attack is highly likely. This requires a heightened response level for high risk events which includes issuing visitor ID badges, accompanying visitors to the event area and risk based bag searches.

Are we supposed to believe that trans activists are part of the government's considerations in deciding the current threat level? Pull the other one.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/10/2018 14:04

The council has issued a statement saying that it was not made aware that the booking was for Woman’s Place UK. This is completely untrue. When we booked the venue in July, we informed the council who the booking was for, the nature of our events and of the issues we have had at previous venues, including the bomb threat prior to our Hastings meeting. They accepted the booking, and additional arrangements were made with security and catering to ensure ticket holders would be able to attend in safety.

In the interim period between booking the venue and the meeting, local organisers remained in contact with Leeds Civic Hall to confirm that the booking and sponsorship was still in place. The council was given every opportunity to research Woman’s Place UK in the time between the booking and the day of the event. No concerns were raised. We are confident that we did everything we could to comply with the terms of booking Leeds Civic Hall and we have acted in good faith throughout.

womansplaceuk.org/a-womans-place-is-in-leeds/

So someone is lying.

Silentlyobserving · 31/10/2018 14:05

I got exactly the same letter. I asked for a refund for travel expenses and got this load of crap in response. No mention of refunding my excessive travel expenses. This is my response to their letter:

Dear Anne

I really did not wish to receive all this information, I did mention this to the person who initially contacted me. I have simply asked that my travel expenses be refunded. You have not attempted to address my request. Please would you reconsider your response indicating that you are willing to refund my expenses.

Thank you

Best wishes

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/10/2018 14:08

This may be worth watching:

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/womens_place_uk_booking

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/10/2018 14:11

And this one:

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/request_for_information_about_wo_2

They are well overdue in the FOI requests which makes me suspicious...

theOtherPamAyres · 31/10/2018 14:17

Leeds Council cancelled the meeting because a TRA councillor labelled WPUK as a hate group.

The councillor crowed about it, in triumph. She was lauded by the TRAs as having stopped a hate group in its tracks.

The people threatening disorder were the very same TRAs in contact with the councillor. It was her duty to advise them strongly against such action. She didn't. She joined them.

The Council's letter is beneath contempt in re-writing history. We see you and your spin, Leeds City Council.

BlackeyedGruesome · 31/10/2018 14:29

truth will out, it can not be hidden forever.

AspieAndProud · 31/10/2018 14:32

‘We have decided to cancel the event because the people who made bomb threats say these events pose a risk to people as they might get blown up’

Spasm0dic · 31/10/2018 14:33

When I was growing up, I heard that governments stand up to terrorists. Turns out, its only if they have the wrong skin colour or belong to the wrong religion

PurdysChocolate · 31/10/2018 15:02

Ok I think I'd like to wait for that FOI request before I reply.

Datun · 31/10/2018 15:10

Those FOI results will be interesting.

MoltenLasagne · 31/10/2018 15:15

‘We have decided to cancel the event because the people who made bomb threats say these events pose a risk to people as they might get blown up’

Nailed it.

scepticalwoman · 31/10/2018 15:23

Are they saying that they view TRA threats to be on a par with terrorism ?

loveyouradvice · 31/10/2018 15:49

samphire love it.... 100% that is it!!!!

Acorninspring · 31/10/2018 16:04

Woman’s Peace is Speaking the Truth’.

Is the typo here (peace not place) from the statement by the council? Or just in the op?