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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

3 transgender best friends transition together age 11 after years of bullying

33 replies

TrashyTerf · 31/10/2018 12:08

www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/three-transgender-best-friends-transition-13510930

"Three transgender friends are supporting each other as they transition from male to female age 11.

Lily, Fiana and Zuri have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria and will soon undergo medical intervention to prevent their bodies changing from that of boys to men."

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littlbrowndog · 31/10/2018 12:21

Kids can’t smoke can’t drink can drive cars can’t do a lot of stuff cos they are kids
Yet they can decide never to have children or a sex life for the next 70 years
No puberty
Alls good then
Ffs what is wrong with these parents

TrashyTerf · 31/10/2018 12:25

The shocking thing about this story is that the sheep factor and bullying (which are the obvious causes of this) are being ignored. 

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NaturalBornWoman · 31/10/2018 12:28

Those children are 11 according to the article, therefore not old enough for cross sex hormones. One of them appears to be developing a female figure nevertheless, so what, fake breasts for 11 year old children now? Sick.

FermatsTheorem · 31/10/2018 12:36

A) social contagion

B) "I want you to use girl pronouns" said no eight old ever.

Badgerthebodger · 31/10/2018 12:40

Naturalborn looks like it’s possible to get anything you want in America. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This. Is. Child. Abuse.

They’ve got shitty, sexist parents who seem to think there are girls toys and boys toys, and who couldn’t cope with their boy wanting to dress as Cinderella on Halloween. Fucks sake. If my little boy wanted to dress in a princess dress but felt a bit embarrassed or worried he would be teased I’m damned sure DH would be out there in a princess frock by his side.

Better a GNC son than an infertile, unhappy “daughter” who has no sexual function and will need to be medicated for their whole lives with drugs we don’t know enough about. These kids are not old enough to make these decisions.

ijustwannadance · 31/10/2018 12:40

They wanted "girl" toys and "girl" clothes and had "girl" brains.
Or maybe just homophobic parents.

R0wantrees · 31/10/2018 12:54

From video:

Male child doesn't want hair cut and is distressed when Mum does this.
Child says I am not a boy I am a girl.
Mum thrown by this, does research on internet.... concludes they have a transgender child.

R0wantrees · 31/10/2018 12:55

Additional interview:
Male child says "I have a girl brain and a girl heart"
Mum realises that they have to parent differently.

Theinconstantgardener · 31/10/2018 12:55

this is horrific- well said badger

R0wantrees · 31/10/2018 13:23

Worth comparing the parents' response in the Mirror and video with the parent interviewed this article from Transgender Trend:
concludes:
"Anything else you feel is relevant? And what would your advice be to other parents who find themselves in your position?

Read and watch as much as you can before you have an in-depth chat with your child.
Don’t use what you’ve learned to push your agenda on them. Just listen and try to understand where your child is coming from.
Try not to get in a confrontation with your child: they have come to where they are through their own logic. Their decision makes sense to them and pushing against it could simply make them more entrenched. Instead, work with them to find out how they got to this decision and work slowly with them over time, so they can see that their proposed solution is just one of many potential paths forward.
Reach out to other parents who have gone through this issue.
Go slowly. Delay where possible. As your child matures, their understanding may change.
Don’t be put off by politically-correct pressure. Your child is under your care and is not the property of activists.
Avoid the NHS, transgender clinics, activists at all costs. They will all push you towards the ‘transgender pipeline’.
Find a therapist who will help to find any underlying issues.
Obviously, if there are underlying issues, try to resolve them.
Don’t be afraid to send your child articles and news clippings to discuss (with their permission)."
www.transgendertrend.com/dad-boy-identifies-transgender/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3410239-Being-The-Dad-Of-A-Boy-Who-Identifies-As-Transgender-article

merrymouse · 31/10/2018 13:26

“I said ‘Honey, why do you think that?’ and she said ‘Well, I have a girl brain and a girl heart. All my toys are girl things and all my friends are girls. I don’t really understand the things that boys like to do’,”

“I knew right from that moment that I needed to raise her differently.”

How raise differently? What would you be doing?

These are children - what is their concept of being an adult man or woman?

Badgerthebodger · 31/10/2018 16:54

Where has that child got the “girl brain, girl heart” idea from? Would love to know.

Gileswithachainsaw · 31/10/2018 17:03

So toys and clothes then Sad

If a toy requires a penis or vagina to use it then it's not a kids toy.

11...ffs Halloween AngryHaloween Sad

R0wantrees · 31/10/2018 17:52

So toys and clothes then

& hair.
That seems to be common issue. Girls who want short hair, boys who want to not to have to have short hair.

SirVixofVixHall · 31/10/2018 19:40

What is wrong with these parents ? If an 11 year old said that they never wanted children, would we sterilise them ? Yet if they say they are in the wrong body then that is what can happen. Those poor kids.

HandsOffMyRights · 31/10/2018 19:55

Do you think that parents/children think that if they transition this will put them in a special.club - where they get more attention/no bullying (because of the extra attention given to trans people) and where they are part of a community who will have their back?

God, what is society doing to our children? Why is child abuse in plain sight?
The more I become involved in this, the more that I know child protection is my biggest concern.

Deliriumoftheendless · 31/10/2018 19:56

“If a toy requires a penis or vagina to use it then it's not a kids toy.”

Giles- this deserves a round of applause for being such a great gag.

Cachailleacha · 31/10/2018 20:12

My boy has long hair. He is a boy with long hair, not a girl.

Velella · 31/10/2018 20:26

My parents tried for years to have a child. Finally my mum became pregnant with me. They realised they would probably only have one child. My dad desperately wanted a boy so when I came along he just treated me like one. So I got to spend ages on the shed, building things and became competent and practical. If he told me once that I should have been a boy he told me a million times. But he would never ever ever had a milliseconds patience for the idea that I might have been born in the wrong body.

These stories are heartbreaking. When are people going to wake up to the brutal reality of this rather than seeing it as some warm fuzzy happy ever after fairytale?

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 31/10/2018 20:31

Giles- this deserves a round of applause for being such a great gag.

You will love this meme......

www.huffpost.com/entry/how-to-tell-if-a-toy-is-for-boys-or-girls_n_4372629

Voice0fReason · 31/10/2018 22:15

It makes me so cross when I read articles like this.
Toys and clothes FFS
These poor boys

Geraniumpink · 31/10/2018 23:28

How utterly silly. No one appears to have questioned why all three are transitioning together- making it sound like some cosy happy best friends in it together thing. Who are these children going to grow up and become partners with? They are seriously limiting their options. Why is no one just assuming that kids can think very stupid things and that the leap from liking ‘girly’ things to actually being a girl is a very long one indeed.

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ILoveDolly · 10/11/2018 19:34

My son liked to dress as Ariel when he was two. He also enjoyed ballet until changing to street dance aged 5 (probably due to peer pressure) and still will happily play with dolls and his sisters girly shit when they're all together. He puts on rather a butch persona when at school, but his prized possession is a box of shiny silk bow ties. This is who he is. A mixed bag..... A boy who has interesting personality quirks.

My older daughter has always hated pink, likes her hair short and space/dinosaur themed things. She is dreamy, poetic and looks forward to being a mother, but to look at her, you'd think she was a boy.

My middle daughter is incredibly sporty, she hangs with the boys, she plays football, she likes trains and playing the drums. She has a pink feather boa draped over princess bed sheets at home, her inner sanctum is super girly.

When did we stop allowing children to be complicated. Bullies are stopped by firm action from adults, or removing yourself from a situation, not by changing yourself to make them happy.

I consider it unlikely that three young people who were friends would all have a diagnoses of gender dysphoria without external pressures denying them agency to simply be GN.