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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman's hour today (29 October) 10 am

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ScienceRoar · 29/10/2018 08:57

There will be a discussion of gender dysphoria. The Twitter grapevine says that Transgender Trend will be represented.

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R0wantrees · 01/11/2018 15:13

Dr Helen Webberley is being sentenced tomorrow.

Still listed on Mermaids recommended links page with comment:
www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/resources-for-professionals.html

"GenderGp - Helen Webberly
Provider of private health care for transgender patients based in Abergavenny, but also working through video conferencing. Prospective patients may want to know that, in Oct 2018, Health Inspectorate Wales successfully proceeded with criminal action. Both Online GP Services Ltd and Dr Webberley were found guilty at Merthyr Magistrates court. Sentencing will take place on 2 November 2018.
hiw.org.uk/news/onlinegpprosecution?lang=en
To review Helen's response: gendergp.co.uk/update-health-inspectorate-wales-decision/ "

"Healthcare Inspectorate Wales prosecutes online GP
Published 5 Oct 2018
HIW has today successfully prosecuted Online GP Services Ltd and Dr Helen Webberley for illegally providing online healthcare services which require registration under the Care Standards Act 2000

The prosecution follows a period in which Dr Webberley had refused to stop providing services to patients. As a result, HIW proceeded with criminal action against Online GP Services Ltd and Dr Webberley for operating a service without being registered under Section 11 of the Care Standards Act 2000.

Both Online GP Services Ltd and Dr Webberley were found guilty at Merthyr Magistrates court today. Sentencing will take place on 2 November 2018." (continues)
hiw.org.uk/news/onlinegpprosecution?lang=en
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385789-Helen-Webberley-found-guilty

Italiangreyhound · 01/11/2018 16:09

OldCrone

Exactly, why are the numbers given cross sex hormones going down? I've added the letters because I am not sure how to display it otherwise.

The chart says
A) Year refereed to earl intervention
B) Number of referels
C)Actual number of refereells going forward from clinic
D) Number of people who started the hypothalamic hormone blocker
E) Number of people who strated cross sex hormones

A B C D E
2011 14 13 12 13
2012 14 11 11 7
2013 22 19 19 4
2014 49 46 41 5
2015 52 52 32 x

So to me it looks like the number of people who started cross sex hormones went down from 2011 to 2012 to 2013, up in 2014 by one and then not sure what 'x' means.

"The decreasing numbers in the cross-sex hormones column is presumably because for each years figures, the cohort is younger, since less time has elapsed since referral." I don't really know what that means. How can you tell that?

As you can see I am not very good at graphs so am struggling to understand this one.

Micke · 01/11/2018 18:40

since less time has elapsed since referral." I don't really know what that means. How can you tell that?

I think it's because the people in the later years are still younger - ie if everyone was referred at 15, then those referred in 2012 will now be 21, but those referred in 2015 will only be 18 this year - and cross sex hormones are only proscribed past 18 I believe, so the 2012 cohort can all be on hormones, but some of the 2015 cohort won't be old enough yet.

R0wantrees · 01/11/2018 18:45

It would be interesting to know given Dr Helen Webberley's conviction, if investigation into her prescribing for under 18's will be investigated.

Children and young people may of course have sought private treatment instead of NHS GIDS.

Meaningful data to analyse children and young people receiving puberty blockers / cross-sex hormones would need to include those prescribed privately.

OldCrone · 01/11/2018 19:46

Italiangreyhound
When you're looking at the data, compare the numbers across one row rather than column by column. Each row represents a specific group of children. So for 2013, for example, 22 children were referred, 19 of those 22 went forward to the clinic, 19 out of the 22 (i.e. all those going forward to the clinic) were on blockers, and 4 were on hormones as of 2016. Any children who were only 11 or 12 at the time of referral (2013) would have been under 16 in 2016 when the table was compiled, so still too young for hormones. Some of the older children may not have been prescribed hormones as soon as they turned 16. Without more recent data we don't know whether or not the remaining 15 were given hormones at a later date.

Micke
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Except I think the cross-sex hormones can be prescribed at 16.

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