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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kai Shappley: A Trans Girl Growing Up In Texas

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Vegilante · 29/10/2018 03:53

New video, by the pro-trans, queer arm of Conde-Nast called "them", about a very young transgender MtF child whose mother is suing local & state authorities for not letting the child use the "women's room" at school.

The video is far more revealing than either mom or filmmakers realize.

Mom recounts her extreme homophobia, which led her to inflict draconian cruelty & physical abuse on her poor child for the "sin" of "acting like a girl" & "liking girl toys". But no matter how much mom beat her girly pre-schooler, he "persisted" in acting girly & liking girly things. Finally, at approx 7:30, mom recounts realizing before Kai was 3 that he "might be gay. And I thought that could not happen. That would not happen..." Unable to live & let live, mom's only option "to make Kai not like this" is conversion therapy, which entailed "spanking her - really spanking her" every time Kai acted girly.

But as her probably gay little boy remained deeply unhappy, attempts to punish him out of being girly all failed. So after a staged shot of the child praying for his family to have love & courage, at approx 9:00 mom recounts her Damascene realization: "my kid was praying to die. All of the information & data that I had read about transgender children having a 41 percent risk of attempting suicide came flooding back & I realized that I had a 4-year-old who was begging the Lord to let her die... (rather than) stay here & have to live as a boy one more day."

From 11:28 on there's a clearly-scripted & rehearsed scene in which the child complains about his school. What 6 yo speaks of using the "women's bathroom" at school (where kids would call it the "girls' bathroom'")? There's some weird, incoherent stuff about how having locks on the doors & "people stealing magnets" make the the boy pee in his pants. None of this makes sense. But surely it's cruel to make a child recount his/her experience of bladder "accidents" for a YT video when the child says he's embarrassed by them.

To top it off, this young child by the end is blaming his bladder accidents not just on locks & magnets, but on other people he's been told to blame - specifically his teacher's boss. Clearly this youngster has been coached to see all problems he encounters as the fault of others. Talk about male socialization!

Throughout, what the video actually shows contradicts what the mother says in her voiceover.

I see what this video recounts as child abuse done in the name of religious fanaticism. The real transition here is the mom's. She starts off as a conservative Christian zealot & at the end she's an acolyte of the woke new cult of transgenderism.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/11/2018 18:59

I worked for a vicar. He said that he would definitely perform a gay wedding. I’d love to ask him what he thought of the whole ‘whoops, god made a booboo’ theory. I suspect he wouldn’t see it that way.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 20/11/2018 20:38

I won’t watch the video. Your description of it all has made me feel sick. Why on earth would you beat your child for playing with a toy you don’t deem correct. My daughter and I live somewhere where girls where skirts to school and boys wear trousers. She is five soon and struggles with tights. I have always bought her boy clothes or jammies if she likes them etc and hated sending her to school in tights knowing she would be flashing her underwear to everyone. I didn’t like that whenever I had to go out after picking her up she would stop in the streets to fix herself and everyone could see the colour of her underwear. So, I asked her if she wanted to wear trousers. Her response really upset me, this child that has been encouraged to play or wear whatever she wants actually turned to me and said “but trousers are for boys mummy” I looked at her and I said “but you wear trousers at home” she giggled and said “oh yeah” so I asked her again, she said she would so I got in touch with the school and spoke to the head and questioned why she couldn’t. The head was lovely, she doesn’t agree with a lot of things in our country and is now going to try and fight to get the uniform rules changed. In the meantime she told me to send in my daughter wearing trousers. She also said that if any parents questioned me I’m to send them her way and she will allow them to do the same. My daughter keeps saying she is worried people will think she is a boy, I told her not to worry and that she is a girl because she is one, not by what she wears. We went to the uniform shop and they don’t sell girls trousers, I asked about the boy ones but they were made differently and I did not know that, I assumed all young children are androgynous so all clothes made the same but clearly not. So I went to Asda and they had a limited selection of girls ones, but pissed at how fitted they are and then remembered my own as a kid being the same (didn’t grow up where I live now) so I bought them. At home when I asked if she was excited to wear trousers to school she got upset that people will think she is a boy, I did relent a little and said “don’t be silly, we bought you girl trousers” and that made her happy. Her trousers have a little silver butterfly and the others a heart on them so she isn’t worried anymore. I realise I have waffled a bit but, it hurts to hear that people are teaching their kids the opposite to mine and by doing so are making my child feel worried. I just wish these stereotypes would fuck off! My daughter is a bit of a typical girly girl, but she knows and does play with anything that interests her, I don’t want people filling her head with crap and her losing the strong interest in science she has and has had for many years now.

NotTerfNorCis · 21/11/2018 00:08

Okay, the boy is very feminine in his mannerisms, and that's not put-on - it looks natural. But it's still a massive leap to say he has a 'girls' brain in a boy's body'. Most if he'd been born into another family, one that wasn't deeply homophobic, he would never have got the notion that he's actually female.

Danaquestionseverything · 21/11/2018 02:33

NotTerfNorCis

Agreed Kai's (sp?) mannerisms did seem natural and not contrived.
Seems like a lovely child. The mothers homophobia was nauseating.

Italiangreyhound · 21/11/2018 03:34

FloralBunting

"It's quite frustrating to me that in Christian circles, there is either still a fairly firm rejection of homosexuals, and a hard pass on transgenderism, or an acceptance of homosexuality and an uncritical swallowing of the transgender ideology."

As a Christian I completely agree. "Being entirely fine with homosexuality and also entirely GC is as rare as anything I can think of." It is but I'm with you. Thanks

ToeCleavage · 21/11/2018 03:37

Munchausen by Proxy is written all over this.

This.

Rachelover40 · 21/11/2018 10:42

What ToeCleavage said. I've only watched half though, will watch the rest later and come back.

OlennasWimple · 21/11/2018 12:21

Effeminate gay men are being transed in the same way that butch lesbians are being transed. Why there isn't more outrage about this from the (male) gay community, I don't know

Quack - if your DD doesn't mind, it's OK if people know that your young DD is wearing pink / blue / yellow underwear. Don't feel that you have to go down the "modesty shorts" route with a little girl

snowbear66 · 21/11/2018 13:48

The similarities with Iran and their policies -this is from a Guardian article:
‘Iran carries out more sex reassignment operations than any other country in the world. It’s a double edged sword for some in the LGBT community though – the operations have become a controversial solution for gay men trying to reconcile their faith with their sexuality and the government refuses to recognise transgender people who don’t want surgery.’
Extreme religion and an anti gay agenda is definitely pushing this.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 21/11/2018 14:48

i thought homosexuality was illegal in iran
and the choice was trans (inc surgery) or death (penalty)
have things changed

NothingOnTellyAgain · 21/11/2018 14:49

"Increasingly conservative attitudes in the region have made matters worse. Since President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi’s regime came to power in Egypt in 2014, arrests of gay, lesbian and transgender people have risen fivefold in an apparent bid to stave off conservative critics. Homosexuality was made a capital offence in Iran after the Islamic revolution of 1979. Though executions for consensual same-sex activity are difficult to track, several gay men have been hanged on questionable grounds there, such as being accused of rape and not being given a fair trial, as recently as 2016."

economist

NothingOnTellyAgain · 21/11/2018 14:50

I find that Guardian extract EXTRAORDINARILY disingenuous (lies really).

NothingOnTellyAgain · 21/11/2018 14:53

"Homosexuality is against the law in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Sharia, the Islamic legal system, condemns homosexuality as a crime worthy of death. The Iranian criminal threatens gay individuals with lashes and the death penalty. Men always face the death penalty if they were the "passive" partner in a homosexual act. According to the underlying logic, such men behave like women, making them all the more unnatural. The "active" partner faces the death penalty under certain conditions, and otherwise receive 100 lashes. Women receive a sentence of 100 lashes in all cases."

Internaitonal society for human rights

As seen above >> the punishment for a gay man who "takes the womans role" (ie is penetrated) is worse than for a gay man who penetrates.

Misogygy.

If the "submissive" gay men agree to be castrated, take hormones and "become" women then they are free, no punishment.

Misogyny + homophobia.

WTF are the Guardian on talking about individual men deciding to trans to "reconcile" with their religion? UTTER WANKERS.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 21/11/2018 18:00

OlennasWimple You’re right. But it’s so awkward for her and she was pulling them up all the time. Especially in the cold. I don’t tell her about the worry of people seeing her underwear, but she is taught that she has private areas that no one needs to see.

Rachelover40 · 22/11/2018 05:58

Dear little kid, I find it difficult that she said all that without some coaching. I suppose the mother has gone so far with it now she has to go public and justify it. I sincerely hope she stops at surgery and puberty blockers, Kai may well outgrow the girly phase, a lot do.

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