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Butterfly part 3

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/10/2018 21:07

American doc emphasises he is not a pediatric endocrinologist - he helps children give birth to themselves.

Max : pink hoody / hairclips

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LizzieSiddal · 28/10/2018 22:26

That final scene, Max being injected with puberty blockers and everyone so happy.

It’s fucking child abuse!

GreenDinosaur · 28/10/2018 22:29

@LizzieSiddal, Totally agree.

AspieAndProud · 28/10/2018 22:35

Next week, how to feed your kid’s crack habit.

LizzieSiddal · 28/10/2018 22:52

Great idea AspieAndProud and the well after, how about letting your 12 year olds get pregnant because they “know they want to be a mum”?

LangCleg · 28/10/2018 23:01

Hold on, so they are concerned enough to consider an ICO, due to the parental behaviour, but if Ferrybank agree treatment, all that disappears? Really?

Yep. Yes. That happened in this show.

My jaw hit the floor. Never seen anything so irresponsible in my life.

AspieAndProud · 28/10/2018 23:13

So how many times was suicide mentioned over three episodes?

HandsOffMyRights · 28/10/2018 23:46

This may be a bizarre comparison bit it reminds me a bit of the Alfie Evans case. All these cheerleaders saying the hospital was wrong and the parents new best. It's the same lack of critical thought, the same mindless crowds cheering on and chanting slogans, seeing everything in black and white, if you don't agree you're the enemies.

My thoughts entirely. I felt this same frustration with the Alfie Evans/Charlie Gard followers.

foxyliz26 · 29/10/2018 02:01

I can remember over 60 years ago similar arguments in various households over my gay brother coming out as gay !

then when I was caught kissing a girl in the cinema whilst at Primary school, I was taken to a Psychiatrist , with my dad insisting I needed some tablets or therapy to make me normal

we both turned out alright , although our parents disowned us both but eventually mum tried to make amends , when she was dying

the sky didnt fall in !

Why watch a drama like that if you know you wont like it ?
am sure most of you would have joined in decades ago , calling me and my brother being disgusting !

Disgusting for falling In Love ?

I remember girls being disowned 60 years ago for having a baby out of wedlock, locked up in Institutions

rememeber the Magdalen Sisters ?

Different times different attitudes

IKeepFlouncing · 29/10/2018 02:12
Hmm

Yes a bit like women being burnt like witches for speaking evil well against men would you have joined in.

You could also go on big bro thread and ask why they watch that too

AspieAndProud · 29/10/2018 02:37

we both turned out alright

You and your brother turned out all right because YOU WEREN’T PUT ON MEDICATION.

This is precisely the opposite of what happened in Butterfly.

Had your mother caught you kissing a girl today you’d have been guided down the transition route.

ICJump · 29/10/2018 03:17

If my sons come home with boyfriends I won’t want them be given drugs or therapy. I want them to be give food and laughter and fun.

sorenipples · 29/10/2018 07:27

Foxy I think there are some parallels to treatment of gay kids 60 years ago .

I hope at some point in the future no one bats an eyelid when a child doesn't conform to their gender stereotype and they are encoraged to be happy in their own body and not rushed to be medicalised.

I know it wasn't your intention but your post really highlighted the similarities between mermaids today and bigoted practices of the past.

Surely the path of acceptance and least intervention has to be the preference?

BrickByBrick · 29/10/2018 08:05

Why watch a drama like that if you know you wont like it ?

To be fair if the GC's didn't watch it I'd imagine the viewing figures would be much lower.

sorenipples · 29/10/2018 08:14

Series 2 Maxine transitions
Series 3 grown up Max sues everyone?

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/10/2018 08:29

Series 4: Max's life is hugely impacted by the all the long -term side effects of the medicines and surgery.

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LangCleg · 29/10/2018 08:57

If the ratings didn't improve hugely for the finale, I very much doubt there will be a sequel!

BrickByBrick · 29/10/2018 09:09

The ratings for the first showing are in this weeks What's in TV in the 'What's hot, What's not' section. Very much in the What's not.

LangCleg · 29/10/2018 09:29

2.8m for the first episode and 2.3m for the second.

For comparison, the previous ITV Sunday night prime time drama, Vanity Fair, made 3m+ even against The Bodyguard.

So pretty floppy for ITV.

morningtoncrescent62 · 29/10/2018 09:32

From the link posted by reallyanotherone:

Under the lipstick smile, Butterfly is a charter for something very regressive, and very cruel: the credo that children who can’t perform the “correct” sex stereotypes must change their bodies, or die.

That was my reaction exactly. A really, really horrible piece of television.

FishFingerPie · 29/10/2018 10:07

To me it was completely obvious who the voices of reason and sanity were in this programme - it certainly wasn't the creepy Mermaids woman coming across like the wicked witch in Snow White trying to push the poisoned apple; it wasn't the unhinged mother, emotionally blackmailed by the thought of her child's suicide and it wasn't the evangelical American surgeon trying to sell a lie.

Yet the voices of reason - many of them from experts and speaking from the perspective of the child's welfare - were all drowned out in the last five minutes of the programme. All capitulated to the demands of those shouting the loudest. Sound familiar?

To anyone watching with a semblance of critical thought, surely they could see this too? The ending seemed a hollow victory all round to me because I think it unwittingly exposed a lot of unpalatable truths.

Gileswithachainsaw · 29/10/2018 10:12

Bloody hell wtf was that Shock

The dad hit the kid.
The mum kidnapped a kid
They all forgot about the fact they had another child. One who narrowly escaped something horrific by the sound of it because there was literally no one else to give a shit . And to top it all off they had him.dressed like some drag queen. Blatantly abuse. All round . Finally agreeing doesn't change that.

OldCrone · 29/10/2018 10:20

And the ending. Child is drugged and put on a path to sterility and mutilation. Family rejoices.

GunpowderGelatine · 29/10/2018 10:42

I'm watching this now. If this isn't the Life and Times of Jackie Green I don't know what is.

its like it's set in the 90's (when Susie Green would be getting help for her son Jack) - We're meant to believe that just 6 years ago in 2012 a child psychologist would diagnose a 5yo as gay!!! And then tell him to conceal it? Fuck off ITV.

GunpowderGelatine · 29/10/2018 10:43

It's immensely disturbing that at no point did anyone say warring 'girls clothes' and playing with 'girls toys' is fine for a boy to do

reallyanotherone · 29/10/2018 12:11

am sure most of you would have joined in decades ago , calling me and my brother being disgusting !

No, i would have said you should be accepted for who you are.

Same here. If a boy wants to wear dresses and play with dolls, he should be accepted.

Gay, or non gender binary, neither should be medicated in an attempt to “fix” what is “wrong”.

Homosexuality is actually at risk of being less accepted as more people trans into heterosexuality.