Medical doctors who believe trans women are women.

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I have two medical doctors in my acquaintances who openly and on social media state that TWAW, and share pro-trans anti-women type petitions and articles. One is female. One is "non binary" female

I just don't get it. How can you square that with medical training? Surely they are aware of at least some biological differences between trans, and let us say, natal women?

www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-03/fda-ass031418.php this is the link to a review of the brain study of transexual people. It's small scale but interesting.
It's often quoted on Pink News, but to me it backs up the trans women are trans women argument. I was pleased to see the studies authors don't support gendered brains.

My DF, a GP, once had to go up to check the mental capacity of a long time patient of his who was in a care home and wanted to sign his Will.

He chatted with the bloke for a bit, confirmed that he seemed fine, and the document was signed.

Then, as they went to leave the room, the patient called my dad back. Left alone, the patient produced a bun from under his pillow and whispered that the staff at the care home were poisoning him and could my DF test it for him.

DF said he was very glad that the Will was totally uncontroversial.

The problem with the male/female brain argument is that even if masculine or feminine brain traits are identified you have to show that

1. a given trans person has the ‘wrong’ traits for their body
2. That the possession of that trait is any more relevant to being male or female than e.g. height.
3. That it’s somehow useful to group human beings according to personality traits.

And then you’re still left with all the people who are trans but non binary.

None of the ‘scientific born in the wrong body’ arguments bear much scrutiny.

Another GC doctor here. I don’t feel able to raise my head above the parapet as I have no confidence I would be supported by powers that be.
I am very surprised that there are doctors who don’t know the difference between type 1 and type 2 diabetes though! Scary stuff.

KatVonGulag

That's quite typical of the way that scientific studies are often reported on. Your link goes to a news site which reviews the study, rather than the original paper. The headline on the news site is: 'A study suggests structural difference in the brain of transgender people', which is probably as far as many people can be bothered to read.

The full paper is here: Grey and white matter volumes either in treatment-naïve or hormone-treated transgender women: a voxel-based morphometry study. But having tried to read that, I think reading the news-site synopsis might be more enlightening. Although as far as I can tell, the paper just says that transwomen's brains are different from both women's brains and typical men's brains.

EGAnderson, one of the members of the diabetic team didn't know that blood glucose meters had memories. She thought people had to write their readings down. And she was doing this every day.

How's this going to work with cervical and breast cancer screening, all these 'women' who don't have a cervix or female breast tissue?

How's this going to work with cervical and breast cancer screening, all these 'women' who don't have a cervix or female breast tissue?

To be fair, men do have breast tissue, and do get breast cancer. Presumably if they take hormones to develop their breast tissue then that will mean they may need screening.

Cervical screening, otoh, is all ready being done on tw. There was a thread on here recently by a nurse’s friend- the nurse was being made to effectively participate in role play and do a “smear test” (penile swab) on a male to feed into the twaw lie.

I don't think doctors have a network in which discussion of this is really easy. I think most doctors are gender critical even if they'd don't label it as such. Speaking out is hard as no one wants to discourage trans people from seeking medical help when needed.
And I think most people say "trans women are women" in a metaphorical (not sure if that's the right word!) sense - meaning I'll treat them personally and respectfully as if they were women whilst also recognising they will have different biology / health needs.

If there are medics around I'd be interested in creating a discussion group around gender and health, message me if you're interested

Of course they don’t believe it. Ask them, outright, how a human being changes sex. When the waffle about gender starts just keep saying ‘no, not gender. Sex. How does a human change sex? I’m not talking about gender, about physical sex.’

I have asked this question many times here - even the most committed TRA are not willing to stand up and say outright they believe it, because they know its not true. and they know that if they say they believe it they’d look ridiculous.

So just keep asking.

There was a thread on here recently by a nurse’s friend- the nurse was being made to effectively participate in role play and do a “smear test” (penile swab) on a male to feed into the twaw lie.

This is forced participation in a paraphilia and if I was that nurse I’d be suing.

If transwomen are female through self id and transmen are male through self id >>> which is what is incresingly being stated and as the definitions of man and woman are adult human male / female respectively it follows logically>>

what are non binary / agender people? do they have no sex?

According to trans definitions I am agender >> I have no internal gender and therefore I have no sex, I am not male or female. What does this mean for my healthcare?

Whole thing is nonsense obiously.

Women meet a wall of diffculty with medical treatment already. Doctors know which is which. I suspect they will continue to know who to take seriosuly and treat properly and who they should fob off with minimisation, disbelief, and an assumption that ailments are probably psychological in nature, and pain is imagined / exaggerated etc etc.

The thread about the cervical smear was a screenshot of an anonymous twitter account claiming that their friend had had to do a smear test on a trans woman.

Whether or not this could happen, the tweet certainly wasn’t evidence direct from the source.

I found that story v v hard to believe TBH.

I have to wait 6 weeks to get a smear test, really, because the appointments are backed up to the time I'm due a period so I need to wait another 2 weeks, but the NHS is wasting money swabbing someone's dick ? Wow.

but the NHS is wasting money swabbing someone's dick

There is no reliable evidence that NHS resources are being wasted on pretend smear tests.

OP wrote - "How can you square that with medical training?"

Some people will say and do anything for money and/or an easier life.

For the last couple of years I've had occasional social contact with a woman now in her mid-30s who has always come over as a hard-drinking, hard-partying type. We've always found it difficult to find anything to talk about because she's not political, not interested in current affairs and frankly she's never struck me as being very bright. It's just a barrage of jokes and innuendo and I don't find it interesting for long.

In the last few weeks I've been stunned to discover that she's actually a fairly high-ranking clinical psychologist who works in the prison system. I saw her last week and I asked about her work and whether she has much to do with trans prisoners. Her response was that when someone says they identify as trans her role is to interview them to ensure that they're not suffering from some undiagnosed severe mental health disorder and if they're not, she and the prison system accept that they are what they say they are.

I asked whether this ever bothered her and she looked at me as if I was a bit thick and said it was nothing to do with her, it was policy. I asked if she ever thought about it the consequences of men being housed in the female estate and she said no, if a man says he feels like a woman then he's a woman.

I've also been friendly for some years with a doctor who has always had a tendency to jump on bandwagons and is waving the TWAW flag with a vengeance. We have no contact at the moment because I'm GC. Ever since I met her she's talked about herself as being on the autistic spectrum. She's now training to be a transgender specialist working within the NHS.

I'm struck by certain similarities between the doctor and the psychologist: they're superficially clever people but neither is a deep thinker and neither is what I'd call feminist or woman-centred. It concerns me that people like them — people who don't seem interested in the bigger picture and people who uncritically accept that if a man says he feels like a woman then he's a woman — are the people with such power.

I'm struck by certain similarities between the doctor and the psychologist: they're superficially clever people but neither is a deep thinker

I’ve got several degrees and work with very highly educated people (just saying that to make a point that I know a lot of academics etc.) . I’ve known several like this - and conversely people with very little education who are extremely deep thinkers. Not everyone with a fancy job title or a PhD is an intellectual and there are plenty of serious brains doing menial jobs.

I think intelligence - true intelligence- isn’t just about academic smarts. It’s difficult to pin down or measure but you know it when you see it - and a big part of it is being able to see the connections between things. I suppose this is what’s meant by common sense

People in positions of power like your psychologist acquaintance who are clever but not intelligent can do a lot of damage.

Good point

Bowl I completely agree.
I teach quite a few people without any formal qualifications and have been impressed by the questions they ask and their thinking skills generally.